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[-] BB69@lemmy.world 136 points 8 months ago

I don’t think anybody thinks that.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 85 points 8 months ago

Not explicitly, maybe, but implicitly, absolutely, and in multiple ways:

  • Supporting the system that creates one over the other
  • Having 'bootstrap' attitudes about the poor
  • Worrying about property value over utilization
  • Complaining about the homeless rather than the lack of action on housing
  • Voting against people who run on public housing

In so, so many ways, people say they prefer the latter over the former. Usually just with the caveat that the homeless people also be invisible.

[-] Goodbyeworld@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Maybe we should institute a tax on underutilized land in metro areas.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

Land Value Tax 👀

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[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 months ago

I wonder who is doing this voting? Oh, it's people who live in the areas we can't afford to live in. And capitalists add lobbying power to those voters selfish interests.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 63 points 8 months ago

In the United States at least, your local government's public hearings for new housing developments kinda begs to differ.

People will demand the homeless be eliminated from their area while simultaneously opposing development of housing or shelters for the homeless in their area.

So maybe you're right though: they don't hate the apartments more, they simply can't make up their mind on which they hate more.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 127 points 8 months ago

The world will never recover until poverty is seen not as a character flaw, but as a failure of society itself to provide for the most vulnerable.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They wouldn't be vulnerable if they just overcame their own biology and lifetime of trauma. Its that simple, they arent trying hard enough.

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[-] spread@programming.dev 71 points 8 months ago

I hate how when there is any picture of Soviet blocks it's always shot in autumn or winter when it's overcast. I live in an ex Soviet country and when these bad boys are maintained they can outperform new apartments, be it in functionality, amenities or price.

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 63 points 8 months ago

I'd gladly live in one of those apartments in the first picture if it meant that everyone could have a home

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

I’d gladly walk my ass out to the wilderness rather than live in an apartment block, but at least then there’d be an extra spot.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 17 points 8 months ago

The nice thing is in an anarchist society you could do just that, and no one would stop you

I'd personally prefer to be surrounded by people

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[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 53 points 8 months ago

The USSR didn't do much good but those apartment buildings are definitely good. I used to live in a soviet apartment building and the funny thing about that was that every wall was a load bearing wall since all of them could hold up everything. They were thick as hell and fully concrete.

[-] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 26 points 8 months ago

Every wall was a wall and not a cardboard decoration of a wall

FTFY. Not all of them were load-bearing, mind you, they were just proper walls made of wall.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

I'd say those were made from at least 3 walls worth of wall.

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Okay, I just went from "eh, commie blocks are gross but better than tents" to "fuck all the other apartments, bring on the commie blocks". Buildings in the US are built so ridiculously cheaply that in a lot of lower-rent buildings you can hear everything.

[-] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago

Commie blocks do have some issues like absolutely awful electrical wiring or lack of insulation but a lot of ex soviet countries renovate those buildings which leaves no downsides.

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[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

I don't think: "ah, buildings again. I'd rather live in camps featuring trash scent."

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[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is kinda like saying we need more farms to solve hunger.

The cost of housing is very detached from supply. For rentals, companies bought up housing and just jacked up the price, because renters are a semi captive client base.

New construction sometimes doesn’t even help, when developers knocks down an old affordable 12 unit apartment building and build a luxury 36 unit building, you’ve created -12 units of affordable housing.

Even for home buyers, they’re facing a major up hill battle going against existing home owners who have access to the capital of their current homes, and even worse corporate home buyers.

This isn’t to say supply isn’t an issue and we can ignore it, but we need to stop housing from just being an investment vehicle. Otherwise we’re just going to get garbage housing at prices no one can afford.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

it's not detached from supply at all, single house zoning and mandatory minimum parking make for a whole lot of trouble in the US

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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 34 points 8 months ago

I understand the point. But France has done this and ended up with giant ghettos filled with si much crime that no emergency services whatsoever go there anymore.

In the US, they built giant housing projects like this where poverty was concentrated and the same thing happened. Crime installed itself in those projects and these neighbourhoods became dangerous ghettos.

Picture 1 is not the solution you think you want.

The condo building where I live is not so big. And it was built with 25% dedicated to social housing where poor families and underpaid workers can live comfortably in an apartment unit as big as my condo unit, which I paid nearly $400k CAD, for the price of about $650 CAD per month. This allows them to integrate with everyone else and live with everyone else and near where all the jobs are.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 33 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, they've outlawed homelessness. Problem solved!

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

Literally though. And there's a whole practice of hostile architecture that makes it harder and more uncomfortable to be homeless.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 17 points 8 months ago

The point of hostile architecture isn't to solve homelessness, just to send them to the next block/town over (not saying you don't understand that, just pointing it out).

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[-] paddytokey@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

Capitalism has you thinking that these are our only options

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't get people that have such a visceral reaction to apartments (the horror). What they write is frankly hilarious how they think. Right up there with what they write about transit (ohhh noooo) and electric stoves [sobbing noises].

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Yeah, but I didn't have to pay anything for those people to live in tents. I keep my money out of their lazy hands.

/s, deeply, if it isn't obv.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

/s

And for those unaware, the cost of homelessness does exist, and it is quite high. We pay for it through emergency services (police, doctors, ambulance, hospital beds), waste removal services, etc.

The problem needs fixed, and part of the solution is commie blocks unironically.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 17 points 8 months ago

You are forgetting the cost of building "asshole design" infrastructure, like spikes under bridges, instead of building affordable housing.

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[-] cynetri@midwest.social 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

never fails to amaze me how "progressive" types do a complete 180 as soon as someone mentions solving the homeless problem by giving them homes

edit: i rest my case

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 8 months ago

I don't think "progressives" have any issue with housing the homeless. The issue is where.

Go to a conservative (or indeed any) neighbourhood and tell them you'll be building 200 apartments nearby to house rough sleepers, see how that goes down.

Most homeless are invisible to us anyway. They hold down jobs, they have gym memberships, they just sleep in their car, or on a mate's sofa every so often. Nobody would have a problem with them moving in nearby.

It's the aggressive beggars, addicts, and shitting in shop doorways (and these three are the same person) that nobody wants anywhere near them. These are who most people think of when they hear the word "homeless". Most of them need more treatment than just a roof. We don't have enough of that either.

I've no issue with my taxes helping all these people. I'm happy to pay tax to reduce the chances of me personally being robbed by somebody in desperate poverty.

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[-] Illegal_Prime@dmv.social 22 points 8 months ago

Pretty sure that’s just NIMBYs.

[-] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 8 months ago
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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago

Who is this society guy? He sounds stupid

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago

Uh, the billionaires don't see that. Even the millionaires can avoid seeing that.

[-] walrusintraining@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

What is this trying to say???

[-] Maven@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

That low income housing is good but people like when homeless people suffer.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Or that people living in block housing is preferable to some living in suburbs and some being homeless.

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