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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"BE UNGOVERNABLE!!" says the political party that wants to control every aspect of private life and turn you into an underpaid, uneducated drone.

Well, if you insist.

I prefer my political parties to know what democracy means and what republics are.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't they bill themselves as law and order?

[–] flipht@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Law and order just means not questioning cops when they murder people in the street.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

That's the tricky thing about political dog whistles, that words have multiple, related meanings. They can say "law and order" and we hear law as "rule of law," and order as the lack of civil unrest.

They hear law as police power, as in "the law is at the door," and order as hierarchy. E.g. white conservatives are at the top of the social order.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago

These are the same people who filled out fake electoral college ballots to try to steal the presidency for Trump…

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

someone hit me with the "America is not a democracy" t'other day.

I asked "do Americans not vote then?"

no reply.

[–] DaSaw@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do. But the people we voted for in the past get to decide who we are allowed to vote for in the future. And money decides who gets their message spread to the most people.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is (a form of) Democracy.

[–] DaSaw@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's more of a subversion of democracy.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

What I’ve heard some of them advocate (trump in power indefinitely, followed by his children) isn’t a republic, so

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We vote to suggest to a smaller group of people who they should vote for. It’s the smaller group of people who’s vote actually counts. I’m surprised they weren’t able to respond.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's (a form of) democracy.

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure is! It’s not what I’d want to for presidential elections, since the electorial college is a terrible idea. Thankfully it’s only the presidency that’s decided by electorial college.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

not to belabor it - but my point was that the phrase "America is not a democracy" is false.

[–] detalferous@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] 800XL@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Chemically sterilize them.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The GOP are the rules lawyers of real life, struggling to play fair and fighting everyone to see the same definition as they do for things like "rights" and "democracy". They don't fight because the believe a few hundred million people want to have their voices ignored - they want to be right and have their fight instructions popped into their ear.

"We don't live in a democracy..." Is said by those who want to change America from a democracy. We are trying our best to be a democracy but those trolls and oligarchs stiffle any attempt to be a democracy and then hold it against us.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

They don’t actually do any governing in the first place, so this isn’t anything new