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Amazon CEO Andy Jassy warns remote workers: 'It's probably not going to work out for you'::Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told employees who defy his edict to return to the office three days a week that "it's probably not going to work out for you."

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 306 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Jassy told his employees that he spoke to scores of other CEOs and that “virtually all of them” preferred having their employees back in the office.

CEOs try not to think they're the center of the world, the challenge.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 200 points 1 year ago

"Should workers be subjected to pointless and dehumanizing drudgery that serves no practical purpose? Find out what this panel of five overpaid CEOs think, after the break."

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 148 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In other unbiased polling, the wolf spoke to all the other wolves in the pack and they all prefer that the sheep be eaten.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

In similar fashion, an unprecedented unanimous vote was casted by all the worm hunting birds: worms should not live underground.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Workers should unionize. I don't know if its better but I know it's something they hate

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I spoke with virtually all of the workers, and none of them want to pay rent. Yet here we are.

CEOs can get bent through a videocall

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 184 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe tech workers will finally unionize

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 year ago

Nah, we're still high on our own farts to realise they can turn foul rather quickly.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not looking good for programers in particular.

The reason why the can get paid as much as they want is 100% based on you being able to jump ship form company to company without having to wait for a company to find common ground between you and them through a union.

Sure, they'll still be hugely compensated but tech companies will keep abusing interns, freelancers. Obviously outsourcing will explode even more than it already has in the last 10 years.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

True, but that's why you do a trade union instead of a company union. And programmers have a lot to gain. These companies, shareholders, and CEOs rake in billions that could be going to employees.

A programmer will make a feature that saves the company a million dollars and they'll get paid $100,000 to build it.

Now is the best time for programmers to unionize. Do it when you already have leverage to make sure the good times stay good. Otherwise, we'll eventually be as replaceable as drafters are now.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't buy it. This isn't the only mechanism, probably not even the most important one, for why salaries are where they are. Shortage of and especially of highly competent programmers is. In fact this actually underpins why jumping ship is even as easy as it is. Uninionization will provide additional leverage, while not diminishing the shortage pressure. Part of the point is that this leverage can substitute the leverage we have due to the current shortage, if and when it diminishes.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Too many libertarians in tech. Will never happen.

Source. In tech. Not libertarian.

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[–] doorstop@infosec.pub 19 points 1 year ago

I wish. A union could have easily prevented this.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 161 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The mentality of these people are like slave owners.

[–] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's all the same families. The American Oligarchy.

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[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 112 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Amazon employees who refused to relocate near main offices of their teams were told they either have to find a new job internally or leave the company through a “voluntary resignation.”

How dumb does he think people are? This just makes me angry because they're probably going to get away with it too.

[–] makar94@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why would you quit? Continue working from home while lining up a new job. Or, if they don't specify how long you have to be in on those 3 days, just clock in and go back home an hour later. Game the system, make it work for you. They do.

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[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

lmao, "voluntary resignation" is hilarious. If you plan to purge everyone who won't relocate, you're gonna have to do a layoff. This isn't one of those layoffs that will impress investors, because it won't represent efficiency or cost savings, but instead corporate dysfunction.

If your workers aren't voluntarily relocating to return to the office, they're certainly not going to voluntarily forfeit their unemployment benefits by quitting. They'll just stop working and wait for the pink slip.

Unless they plan to attach a severance more valuable that unemployment benefits to the resignation, they're fucking dreaming. Even so, that would be a hilarious misstep to offer Amazon employees a voluntary paid exit, because it would undoubtedly result in an unsustainable wave of resignations across the org.

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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 106 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 105 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More likely that it doesn't work out for Jassy. Certain Amazon units are underperforming under his leadership, and I wouldn't be shocked if his time at Amazon didn't last that much longer.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You can only artificially raise the price of real estate for so long.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a really nice way of threatening to take away the livelihood and health insurance of people doing work for you.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Today's workers are too nice...

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Well see, we're kinda trapped right now. We can go chopping heads off, get thrown in the news cycle for a few days, and then continue losing everything we got trapped in anyways.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Given how many millions of people must have used Amazon to order stuff to work from home over the past 3+ years, this is a really weird position to hold. You'd think this guy would be all about everyone kitting out their home office spaces.

[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

used Amazon to order stuff to work from home

Amazon makes almost no money on retail sales. They make their money from AWS and from advertisers.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not weird when you consider the average real estate lease for companies of this size is probably 10 years or more, so they are sitting on an inventory of empty or more empty than full offices, paying rent on them, but not having anyone in there. Also, many cities/states incentivize "butts in chairs" based tax breaks for companies that hire staff in their cities, and you don't have butts in the chairs, you don't have the tax breaks.

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[–] mlong99@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A voluntary resignation? Good luck with that!

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

“Yes, I assure you they voluntarily resigned. They tried to resist it but we forced it on them.”

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The brain drain is real. Wonder how long before this boomer policy hurts Andy's precious shareholders.

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[–] dx1@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've gotten so much recruitment crap from Amazon. This kind of crap is why none of those worked out for them.

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[–] meatuchu@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think my favorite part of the Amazon RTO is the fact that there are many offices that charge you to park there

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

When I worked in an office I had to pay for parking in addition to paying for gas and wear and tear, ALLLLLLLL so I could have the very valuable experience of working in an open concept office that is perpetually loud and distracting

But yeah… wfh is totally bad for productivity… give me a fucking break

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[–] bfg9k@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Remote Workers warn Amazon CEO Any Jassy: 'Working for a tyrant is probably not going to work out for us."

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And also start the compensated-hours clock the moment I step into the car. We're giving you eight hours a day, not 12 now.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Gonna need a hot lunch provided, laundry on-site, dog walkers, child care, a gym and a space where I can play guitar when I'm on a break

Oooh you wanted me to give all that up for nothing? In that case you can get bent, get fucked, roll over and get fucked again. I left three jobs over RTO mandates. Every time I left it was for more money. Now I'm at a place that doesn't even have an office, just Google meet and a PO box for physical mail.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We also used to have paid lunches and breaks. We lost those in the 1980s.

It would be remiss of me to neglect mentioning covering and mandating OSHA required breaks (and otherwise recognizing your worker are human beings) can improve their productivity to exceed the time and expense cost, so it's not just being a good boss but economically sound.

The failures of top-down management to even keep their own businesses working optimally is an indictment of capitalism at its core.

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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago

This is readily admitting he's about to do what's called Constructive Dismissal!

Which means he will owe all remote workers their severance pay.

[–] Xianshi@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago
[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I was looking at some of the Amazon postings near me, but they're all down in Irvine.

Pretty much the entire talents pool of LA is off limits to Amazon now.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know what's probably not going to work out for you, Andy Jassy? The next proletariat uprising.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's never going to happen.

What really won't work out for him is retention of top talent that values WFH.

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[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As the planet burns down they think it's a great idea to force more fossil fuels usage so they can feel important

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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Nah, I'm fine at home.

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