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It is not possible to read all the Sci-Fi books out there. So you must have a process for selecting what you do read. Reading a book is an investment in your time. Your time is valuable. No one wants to waste that time reading unworthy books.

I have never codified my criteria. And it has changed and evolved over time. I suspect it will continue to change moving forward, as who I am tomorrow is not who I was yesterday.

What is your criteria to date?

Mine is that it must meet ALL the following criteria, some objective and some subjective.

  • it must have at least 1,000 reviews
  • it must have at least 70% 5-star reviews
  • if after reading about it I get the suspicion that it's a romance disguised as Sci-Fi, I automatically reject it no matter what
  • if it's YA, it really needs to be exceedingly compelling to choose it
  • Space Opera also needs to be exceedingly compelling
  • if I get the feeling it's trying to preach I'll reject it
  • if i get the feeling it has (messaging, strong opinions, or political overtones) about today's societal issues, I probably won't choose it. Not judging; I primarily read for escapism.

I guess that's about it. There's probably more but I just haven't put that much thought into it yet.

I'm very interested in how y'all decide to choose a book to spend your valuable time reading.

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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree it’s not possible to read everything, but I promise that if you are a habitual reader, you will run out of truly excellent books to read really rapidly. Both because there just aren’t that many and because everyone’s tastes are different.

These days my criteria is: if I heard of the book and it sounds interesting to me I’ll try it. If it fails to capture me within a chapter or two I’m putting it down.

I have a strong preference for queer books (especially queer scifi) and will totally overlook even dramatically negative reviews to read those. But that’s the only bias I have in my selection.

[–] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does queer Sci entail that's different from inguess hetero Sci fi?

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Queer authors and/or characters and themes. There’s a fair amount of scifi like this as people have used the genre to explore gender and sexuality basically from the start. Historically, think Ursula Le Guin in Left Hand of Darkness. For more recent examples, consider A Memory Called Empire by Arcady Martine or Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir.

[–] lvl13charlatan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I recently bought the audiobook for Gideon the Ninth. Glad to see another recommendation.

[–] Tatters@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is quite a restrictive list.

I generally go for:

Is it by an author I like? Is it well written? (Judging by samples).

Then I start to read. Normally I will make it to the end, even if some way in I decide I don’t like it that much. Sometimes I will just give up, if it is too tedious, or too many characters/plots I can’t keep track of, or it turns out to be badly written after all.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too restrictive? Yes maybe so. There are always exceptions which I haven't verbalized in my post.

Nevertheless, I fear if I used your method, in total I'd spend years reading samples. It's good it works for you though.

I read so much, I just don't have time to invest in reading samples.

UPDATE: I've been wondering why the down votes. I suspect there is tone in my response which I did not intend. I get a lot of recommendations I want to weed through to find something I'm interested in. I couldn't possibly read all the samples. That's all I'm saying.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Blademax@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Does the cover have a painted Fabio?

No Fabio, no read!

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

First off the concept, as introduced on the back of the book, or in book-yakking circles (like this) or such must be something that interests me in some way. This means that if the books seems too political in focus ("left" or "right"), for example, I don't engage. That's not what I read SF books for.

Second, if the concept intrigues, I have to get a hint that it isn't just a rehashing of something I've already read. I need to read a new take on a concept, not Yet Another Evil Empire Cut Down By Rebels space opera, complete with laser swords, say...

Third, if it gets to this stage, I'll find a free ecopy somewhere and I'll read the first 50 pages in a "try before you buy" thing. The author has to grab my interest in 50 pages, no more. If by page 50 I'm not sufficiently intrigued that I'm willing to shell out money, I don't shell out money. The ebook is deleted and the book is put into my mental "do not enage" bin alongside books whose very concepts don't interest me.

If, however, by page 50 the book intrigues me, I'll start the difficult task of hunting down hardcopy and buy it when I find it.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Play Books has ~50pg samplers for just about everything I've been on the fence about. If it's got me by 50pg in I'm probably interested enough to read the rest of it. They (Play Books) don't always have the best eBook quality so I try to buy from Barnes and Noble when I can but I end up buying a lot of ~$2 sale books on the play store as well.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Play is not accessible to me; that's not an avenue I can travel down. I basically have to pirate as a try-before-I-buy thing.

And I don't buy e-books for reading. (I'll by them for reference works, game rules, etc. but not reading books.) I buy books. It's a quirk of mine.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I understand and agree regarding a stale take on an existing trope. It is hard to find a new take on a concept, but just as you, that is exactly what I'm looking for too.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago

If I'm interested. I open it up to a random page. And read a paragraph. And look at the tone of the author, the quality of the writing, on the quality of their content. And then I make a determination if I'll read the rest of the book

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I read the back cover and open the book on a random page and start reading. If that page doesn't make me want to read more, then its not for me.

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I check cover and blurb, maybe see if there are other books by the author, and give it a chance.

1000 reviews? Nah. I like to read new authors with fresh ideas.

[–] lapommedeterre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If it's only 999 reviews, don't expect me to be the 1000th reviewer.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm a newbie when it comes to reading novels. But I realized that a lot of movies or series I've seen are based on books. It's far easier to get through a book if you already have visual references for the characters and scenes. It's also nice to go back and experience the story from a diffrent perspective. It's like reading with training wheels.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Understood. I like seeing the movie or series after reading the book, for some reason.

[–] lochnix@hachyderm.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@nkiruanaya @LouNeko I love reading the book after because it is almost always even better than the movie… more detail, richer character development, bonus extra scenes, 😁.

Where the reverse is rarely true. If I love a book, someone is going to butcher that book when they make a movie about it.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Watched all the Expanse series and started reading the Expanse books. I'm now on book 4 (Cibola Burn). When I watched the series, I really could figure out or understand what was going on. I just kept watching due to the charismatic enthusiasm of the fans online. I finished the TV series but still didn't quite "get it" and still felt lost. But now that I'm reading the books, I now understand what's happening and am enjoying it.

[–] Borkingheck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like the front cover and it doesn't have an obnoxious sticker on it.

Edit: the 1k review thing isn't bad but the 5 star thing is. I'm too jaded with people giving 5 stars because the item was delivered quickly...

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

"I haven't read it yet, but it arrived two days faster than I expected, and the box was really pretty. 5 stars!"

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strangely I don't choose based on any set criteria and my choices often change with my mood. However, I have a threshold that the book must cross to be kept, so that at some point I will reread it knowing what mood im in and looking for that style, otherwise I donate it.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the threshold? Can you articulate it, or is it more of a feeling to match your mood, or something like that?

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mood, absolutely. For example if I want something lighthearted & somewhat whimsical I'll pick up J. Scalzi or Hamilton, books, usually during our busy season when I just need to unwind) When when I want something to ponder over, have more time on my hands (slow season) I'll pick up A. Reynolds or S. Baxters. When I'm in a shit mood and want to know someone is having a worse time it'll be G. Bear, or a couple other single titles (ship of fools, an exchange of hostages, armour, etc) And then there is absolute space trash for pure escapeism, usually the horus heresy.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is interesting and a good way to do it. What about authors you haven't heard of? How do you filter those?

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Luck...pure and simple. I just finished a trilogy my son started last year and gifted him the 2 other books because...eeeech they were no bueno. I usually always finish the book because it may turn and be interesting...bit if not I give them away.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Honestly I just read the biggest classics and hits. Usually they're classics for a reason, and even if it's not to my liking, at least I learn something new and can cross it off the bucket list.

Now that I think about it, scifi is somewhat monocultural - is that a word? - this way. The consensus what's good and what's not, and why, seems to be higher than in real world fiction.

I do listen to more audioshows than books and it's kinda the same. If something becomes very popular, it's likely to be better than average. Although I've found some sleeper hits too, and nothing really bad. Producing an audio show is probably harder than writing a book.

After a couple hours of reading, do I still care?

I know I may miss some gems this way, but my reading list is longer than my available time.

[–] rotkehlchen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My criteria aren't as complex. I usually read the summary or the first sentences and if there is an idea that sounds new to me I will read the book. If it annoys me in the first 100 pages I give up.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That's nice and easy. I didn't say it in my post, but I too will commit to reading the first 100 pages before deciding whether to go on or abandon it.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I look at something and decide to read it. If I enjoy it, I keep reading. That's my very strict criteria.

You said nobody wants to "waste time" reading "unworthy" books. But if you enjoy it, it's not wasted time. I didn't even read your whole post, because it seems to me like you spend most of your time trying to find something perfect and very little time enjoying a book. That doesn't really appeal to me at all, but you do you.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

lol my standards for fiction are basically "does it catch my eye?", "is it available on my library/scribd apps?", and usually "if it's a series, is it book one?". If I like it I go through the series. I like a broad variety (though a lot of mysteries).

Nonfiction I definitely have stronger standards. If it's not well sourced it's too much noise vs signal.

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Of course if you enjoy it, the time is not wasted. Worthy to me, means I enjoy it. I'm sent dozens of book recommendations each week from various sources in which I subscribe. I have to weed them out because I certainly don't have time to read each one. The longer my queue becomes, the stricter my criteria becomes. I read almost every night for hours before bed, so not sure why you think I spend very little time enjoying a book. What an odd thing to say.

[–] BrerChicken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have very strict and specific criteria! I feel like there's just not that much good writing out there, and that I really have to search for it. Of course by "good" I mean in the subjective sense, good to me. There are very well-received books that I didn't enjoy at all, and some pretty awful light reading that I can't stop thinking about, Reviews and ratings really mean very little to me, so I mostly ignore them. That's especially true on Goodreads and BookWyrm where people seem to want to tell you that the book they liked wasn't THAT great.

I just read the blurb, and if it sounds interesting I'll check it out from the library. It's almost always available as an ebook or an audiobook, and even if I have to place a hold I can read a sample. I usually know within the first few pages if I like the style, and if I'm willing to continue. I drop many, many book, and I'm not worried about missing out on anything.

If one of my friends recommends a book I usually give it a shot, but I'm not afraid to drop those either. There are a couple of people whose recs always work out (thank you Cristina!), and those I just jump into right away, but that's only literally two people. Most of my friends don't really read in order to discuss what they're reading, and some don't even read at all 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I understand, thank you for your input,

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, when the award nominee lists come out, I jump on those if they sound like books I’d like. And of course, new books by past authors I like. And generally books that I start seeing a lot of people reviewing favorably or just getting a lot of buzz I will at least evaluate.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My method is very similar! I don’t read a lot of sci-fi anymore, but I pretty much ran out of classics to read in my teens. Now it’s either recommendations from irl friends (they know what I like and it’s always a hit) or award winners. Sometimes, some recommendations from there internet hit home with a good elevator pitch, but doesn’t happen often.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

One reason I love libraries is that I can ask random strangers for suggestions.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do I crave to read it today? If that happens every day the book is good. If it feels like a chore the book is trash.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I just check out the tv tropes page and if I like it I read the book.

[–] keanu0396@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

My decision is primarily based on if the concept of the book appeals to me, and general reviews, but reviews don't make or break the decision. If a book is for YA but sounds like an interesting concept, then I'll go for it!

[–] thriveth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You really only ever know that after the fact, right?

Anyway - mainly from recommendations from either people I know personally, or online people that I know I often share taste with.

[–] Kiwibrick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Needs to be at least a 3 book series, but preferably 5+.

I like the sound of it from the blurb.

It's on Smashwords.

[–] thriveth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Now there's a way to make sure you never encounter anything outside of your current comfort zone.