Ultimately we have more in common with a normal Chinese person just trying to live their lives than any of us do with our ruling classes. I'm sure those same ruling classes would rather us be less aware of that fact.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 days ago

Solidarity amongst the working class!

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Idk why there's such a pissing match in this post. Like honestly. Both our governments are shit. Why is this even a debate as to whose government is committing war crimes more? Your comment is the best comment here by far.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

If a serial murderer told you that their victims were actually much worse than they are, would you believe them?

Yet the source of pretty much all anti-china atrocity propaganda is the US and its orgs like the victims of communism foundation. They want you to believe every single country they hate, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc... are guilty of the same crimes they are. Why do you believe them?

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are both wrong.

The correct way is to argue passionately that your country has committed the MOST war crimes/genocides/human rights violations. Ya know, bragging rights.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Deutschland betritt den Raum...

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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (30 children)

Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 87 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is horse shit. There are examples of protests being countered (e.g. When Trump gassed protesters and clergy members to hold a Bible up upside down at their church), but these examples are rare and those people weren't actually "silenced". They told everyone about what happened.

Americans have freedom of speech protected by our constitution. China, on the other hand, has actual laws dictating against many forms of speech.

For example... "The PRC bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals."

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+PRC+bans+certain+content%2Cwealth%2C+and+food+safety+scandals

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How well did the protests about gaza go over then? You are hand waving away something we all lived through and saw. From unions to college campuses, protesting has never been a protected right. You can only protest as much as those in power allow you to in your area.

Even those not in power shit on protestors when it affects their lives. People start saying things like "thats not the way to protest" or "this isn't the time or place, have some respect".

Its bullshit, and we do not have the freedom to speak our minds, unless we already agree with what we are expected to.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The US cracked down on Gaza protests quite harshly. Many states enact book bans these days and some ban topics like slavery from schools. Also historically protests against Vietnam were partly gunned down. The black panthers were often murdered and in fighting them the US even bombed one of its own towns. Red Scare was huge and Ernest Hemmingway was probably driven to his suicide by FBI surveillance, for which he was called paranoid but later proofed real by declassified files.

Censorship in China goes farther, but the US is far from being a free speech haven or ever having been that.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Dozens of pro-Palestinian protesters arrested outside New York Stock Exchange

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ""designated protest zone"" that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.

A woman, armed with a ""We Love You Bush"" sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer's arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn't move and they said, ""no."" The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.

https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's a far cry from how china suppresses protests. And really a small individual example. Overall there's a clear freedom of expression and civil protest in the US. The same absolutely cannot be said about china.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)