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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 106 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

yeah but tHeY DiDn'T giVe Us AnY gOoD CanDiDaTeS!!

That's why so many threw their fucking votes in the sewers. Plus Harris had a situation in her past which could be read uncharitably!!!

Why do you hate [it doesn't matter, put anything in here]?!?!

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A lot of this is short term vs long term thinking. We got into this political situation precisely because Democrats have been running "lesser of two evils" milquetoast centrists for years. Democrats run centrist candidates that are just barely better than the Republican candidate. They don't offer any real change, just preservation of the status quo. The preservation of the status quo used to be a Republican thing. Since Democrats have taken over that role, that forces Republicans further to the right. And Democrats also willingly adopt Republican framing of policies. Kamala ran on an immigration plan that would have been decried as fascism during Hillary's campaign.

The problem with always holding your nose and voting for Democrats, no matter what, is that you eventually end up with an election that's KKK vs. neo-Nazis, as Democrats slide so far to the right that they're full on fascists themselves.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Barely better? Gore was the environmentalist. Hilary declared war on climate change when she said she'd have a map room. Biden did green energy policy. While Kamala was hesitant to say it I think it was clear she was going to continue it.

But don't worry, maybe we can start again from scratch in 4 years.

*Actually it won't be from scratch, we'll have to dig ourselves out from disbanding the EPA.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh, you want to change topics and talk about the environment now? OK. Let's talk about the environment.

Biden oversaw the largest expansion of oil drilling in American history. Have US CO2 emissions declined under Biden's term? He also put up huge tariffs on Chinese EVs, batteries, and solar panels. He chose to put American business interests ahead of helping the environment. A few days ago, as a lame duck, he grabbed headlines by barring oil drilling in a bunch of US waters. But he only banned drilling in areas that the oil industry has no interest in operating in anyway. The coastal areas that actually have a potential for future drilling expansion? He left those alone. All style and no substance; it's the Biden way.

He's taken the exact same kind of market-oriented approaches to climate change that have got us where we are. The core idea of his IRA act was that if we just produce a whole lot of solar panels and batteries, that the magic of the market will sort itself out. No need for taxes on carbon. No need for restrictions on new drilling. Just produce enough EVs, and everything will sort itself out. Instead, what's happening is we're simply using the solar revolution to increase our total energy use as a species. We're paving the desert in solar panels while also continuing to burn fossil fuels at a record pace. Neoliberal environmentalists can't actually help the environment, because they insist on doing everything through market mechanisms. And energy is so useful the market will seek to exploit every energy source possible.

They can't even fathom the idea of outlawing new oil or gas expansion. Banning something profitable? To them that's like trying to visualize a four-dimensional object. They simply cannot comprehend the idea. "Wait, we can just ban something? But what about the corporate donors? What if Republicans use that ban to paint us as liberal extremists?"

Even on environmentalism, the issue you chose precisely because it puts Biden and the other centrist Dems in the best possible light, they have failed miserably.

Behold the environmental record of neoliberalism, like the Writing upon the Wall:

The US chart is less damning. It exhibits a slight downward trend as we've outsourced so much of our manufacturing:

But even looking at that graph, I see zero impact of presidential administration on CO2 emissions. Democrat or Republican in power? It has no impact on CO2 emissions. Industry is mostly left to do as it will.

The core philosophical promise of neoliberalism is, "forget fairness, justice, or doing what's 'right.' Instead follow whatever pragmatic market-based solutions will produce the best outcome." And that premise is now its epitaph.

I don't give a damn what a politician says. Democrats certainly talk in big flowery language about the environment. But when actually in office, they turn down opportunity after opportunity to actually improve things. As it is in the environment, so in every other issue.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ok I'm gonna have to set the stage first.

Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.

So what did Obama learn? That it was a losing topic. Don't touch it. And he won.

Hilary said maybe now is the time. When she said she would have a map room she declared war on climate change. And what happened? Bam lost the election.

So what did Biden learn? Stay away from it. Don't touch it. And he won.

But Biden did Green Energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose.

So what did Kamala learn? You get no thanks for environmental policy. Don't touch it.

And what won the election? The price of eggs, “It’s the economy, stupid".

So on to my point: You're talking is if the Dems had an overwhelming mandate from the people for environmentalism. They didn't. They never have. They likely never will. Every time they even look at environmentalism, they lose. Every. Single. Time. But you're here holding them to the ~~gold~~ platinum standard. The people have spoken and they say: "don't do it." You want them to be a pitbull on the topic, when the people have said "don't do it, we don't want it". Do you see the dichotomy here? They aren't elected to do it, and then you ask "Why didn't they do the ~~gold~~ platinum standard?" Do you realize this? What we got from them, when they lose every single time on it, is not bad. Want more? Then they have not lose every single time it comes up. (And inb4 Lemmy's famous misreading, I want more. I want a ton more. But I see that they lose every single time on it.)

*This is probably my only reply because frankly if you think they had this overwhelming mandate to run to the platinum standard, well you reallllly need to realize the dichotomy of what we on lemmy want vs what the people elect them to do. Again: They didn't have a mandate. They never have. They likely never will. Again, I want it, but I see they didn't have it and that they lose every single time on it.

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[–] don@lemm.ee 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s the enshittification of the presidency once again.

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[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump II: the diarrhea times

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One pandemic was simply not enough.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

~~Pestilence~~, Famine, War, and Death.

Choose your next card mortal.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The famine is nigh inevitable, nearly 20% rise in homelessness, folks are already stressed about food and that’s still going wild in price

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[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They will end the FDA for profits of their ~~overlords~~ sponsors.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Looking forward to reliving the circumstances that led to the formation of the FDA. That's gonna be fun times. /s

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A little more faith in people: They are being lied to about WHY FDA is being cut.

A lot less faith in people: The lie is "because colored people."

A little more faith: Many just want less government and taxes

A lot less faith: The thought process is: "I know millions die without the oversight, but it hasn't affected ME because I'm special. Plus I'd save so much money."

A lot, lot less faith: That money won't go to you, you'll get $14 dollars and polio out of all this. But cool new jets and tanks in the military parade

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It gets worse: MAGAts will use the lack of recalls as evidence that food is safer now.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the just stop testing method. Worked flawlessly every other time it was attempted.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Would be great when Europe stop accepting food imports from the US.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

What food? They are going to deport the workforce that harvests it.

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure a lot of stuff would already not be allowed for import here and only the products that pass EU regs can be imported en masse (not like specialty shops/foreign section etc).

[–] Sineljora@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I think a decent response here would be to boycott processed foods

[–] thesystemisdown@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

The EPA and FDA set limits and regulate pesticide, herbicide, and antibiotic use. A raw or paleo diet probably won't help much without both agencies.

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The majority of foodborne illness outbreaks have been from contamination of unprocessed food.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Which follows, because processing and cooking kills a lot of the bacteria in food.

I'm trying to remember what the other most likely contaminated food was, but the one I remember is alfalfa sprouts.

My wife and I had terrible food poisoning around 10 years ago, she had it worse than me, and her dish was covered in sprouts while I merely sampled some of it.

I'm not sure how great this source is but this is one of them. Taking guidance from what has been contaminated most in the past and the ways you can avoid it is probably the safest course forward without a working FDA:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-that-cause-food-poisoning

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sadly the vast majority of people are either poor or time poor so it’s not an option for many.

It costs more to eat fresh produce, you have to shop for it more, and it takes more time to prepare.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

And it goes bad faster. I travel for work so I really struggle to buy the right amount of fresh food so I won't be throwing stuff away when I get back.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Don't buy fresh produce. Frozen is actually better since it's frozen pretty soon after harvest.

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[–] sus@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago

processes like pasteurization?

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well... a lot of handling rules for fresh foods are REALLY dangerous to get rid of. Idk. I guess, wash and cook everything. Don't eat any salad.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago

Unironically something RFK Jr would want you to do.

A huge bundle of cash from the fast food industry means he won't be allowed to follow through on the only sensible part of his policy.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

been saying this since November.

I've been stocking up on cold meds and the like since the day after we found out the results. get a bottle or two every time you get groceries.

with birdflu on the horizon it's only a matter of time.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thumbs up for True Detective.

Back to the fucking MAGAts. If US meat makes into the EU market, I hope my fellow consumers are smart enough to avoid that and let it rot on the shelves.

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