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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sorry Natural Intelligence bros, but meat can't think. You've been duped into thinking human beings are conscious by Big Omega 3. Intelligence can only exist in computers using real electricity. Not that piddly ion pump stuff.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What about photons, hmmm? They're used for quantum computing and don't (technically) need "real electricity".

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hmm, still a boson particle, the same as electrons. Organic neurons don't transmit boson particles, they create a fake electromagnetic field by equalising ions in solution. It's lame and not real intelligence.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Electrons aren't bosons, they're fermions. And ions generally do contain electrons unless we're talking positive hydrogen or negative anti-hydrogen ions. And the EM field isn't fake (was that part of the joke?).

Also I was attempting to reference optical quantum computing but light also seems to be useful for classical computing. Thereby adding to your joke not contradicting it.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -2 points 3 days ago

Drag was attempting to continue the joke too

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

code "object-request-error"

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lmao so true

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Depends on what you mean by 'consciousness'. If you mean the actual biological process that is happening in our brains - yes. If you mean something different, it is probably not a scientific meaning but more a philosophical or religious one, which is ultimately not a bad thing but you should separate this from actual science.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 10 points 6 days ago

We are ALL thinking lumps of fat on this blessed day :)

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What if life's evolutionary end point is always sentience?

[–] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Then life is even more pointless and cruel than it appears.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 2 points 4 days ago

That would be poetically fitting for an universe determined to die a heat death.

No, you're the electrochemical interactions happening inside the lump of fat.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

I'm still rooting for Idealism or the immortal soul to somehow be a thing.

Go Banana!

[–] Wizzard@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Speak for yourself. I try not to think.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Action potential doesn't do thinking. Thinking happens at neuron junctions and that shits chemical and analogue. The electrical part just moves the data to the next synapse. There are some gap junctions but those aren't really associated with thinking.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If by consciousness, you just mean thinking, then sure.

But if you mean awareness — “phenomena”, if you prefer — then I don’t see why an experiential state would (or could) be entirely secondary to a physical state.

It is, after all, possible for me to write words and perform other physical actions based on my experiential state. In many ways, my mental world is more “real” than the physical world.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think rejecting physicalism necessarily requires embracing the idea of a soul. I’m an atheist, and a neutral monist, for example. But if I had to choose between only physicalism and idealism, idealism makes more sense. Before anything else, I’m conscious.

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