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[–] frankPodmore 6 points 1 day ago

For people implicitly or explicitly condoning abuse of MPs, it might be worth considering how much of this abuse is racist, sexist or otherwise bigoted before you do so. We know that ethnic minority and female MPs get more abuse and the idea that it's somehow justified is false and wrong.

[–] zante 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If you are a mealy mouthed snake who comes on the radio every morning with intentions to distract and divert the public from the truth, then you are the abuser, not the abused

I think very idea that people believe they can (or are entitled to) go on national TV, tell egregious and mendacious lies to a million people and expect not to be called a cunt, is one of the most bizarre things in the world .

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

If you are a mealy mouthed snake who comes on the radio every morning with intentions to distract and divert the public from the truth, then you are the abuser, not the abused

This, 100%. People need to be responsible for the consequences of their actions.

[–] frankPodmore -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think that, in fact, 'They have it coming' is not a great argument.

I mean, for one thing, it clearly isn't working, by any definition. You seem to think (correct me if I'm wrong) that MPs deserve to get a lot of abuse. The fact is that they do. But I gather from the tone of your comment that you don't believe it's had the effect of correcting their behaviour. Abuse never does have this effect. That it's not effective is itself a good reason not to do it.

[–] zante 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’ve put so many words in my mouth I can hardly speak.

[–] frankPodmore 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Feel free to explain what you actually meant.

I mean, it seems you were saying 'Abuse isn't abuse if it's aimed at people who I think are abusive' and that's not true. You know that's not true.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

I cannot speak for the OP, but I can tell you that if one is spreading lies and racist propaganda, he shouldn't be surprised when a milkshake lands on his face.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I kinda think if you can't tolerate the odd mean email you shouldn't be an MP. How different is that to what we see at PMQs where they're yelling at each other all the time anyway?

Do MPs even read their own emails? The few times I've emailed my MP (politely, I should add!) I've got a response from some intern.

[–] frankPodmore 4 points 1 day ago

They're not super-friendly at PMQs but there are rules about what you're allowed to say, which is not the case for emails.

I've found it varies, but I have had personal replies from MPs, including people who weren't my own MP.