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You essentially can't perform a randomized controlled trial on masking during a pandemic for a LOT of reasons.

  1. Your institutional review board would never approve it because there's enough evidence of masks reducing disease spread generally that it would be considered placing participants at risk of harm for limited scientific benefit.
  2. You would have largely insurmountable confounders, ESPECIALLY during a pandemic when there are likely to be rules people need to follow regardless of what mask group they were randomly assigned to.
  3. Behavioral confounders would be enormous. Since people would be randomly assigned to a mask group, and participation must necessarily be voluntary; the only participants would be people who don't care about wearing or not wearing a mask or truly don't have any opinion about if it's safe or dorky looking or socially unacceptable in their circle to be seen wearing/not wearing a mask. The sample would not be at all representative of most people.
  4. Adherence would be terrible. The same applies to virtually any study about diet, activity, changing habits, dependence on things like caffeine or nicotine, etc. If participants don't follow the prescribed behavior of their randomized group the data gets weaker and weaker until there is no longer any visible signal.
  5. Even if all else was solved by magic, the study would still not be blinded. People would know if they're wearing a mask or not and those around them would also know. This would create it's own set of confounders.

Observational data is likely to be the best and only data you can get on this topic. To throw it out because it's not randomized and controlled is to admit that you have no idea what any of these words mean or how such studies are conducted.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I don't even understand what their agenda is here. just a conspiracy theory they can't let go of? another instance of natural disaster denialism?

[–] kubica@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago

They like to keep their own parallel world, it's really handy.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Step 1: this

Step 2: blame Falchi

Step 3: REVENGE.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they wish to keep the sheep working and consuming at rate, for as long as they possibly can, without the interruption of health concerns. when rich people get rich, they want poor people to die, preferably the old and infirm, as to not be a drain on the resources they only accrued though poor peoples labor, they figure with limiting a woman's right to choose, they'll just make more poor people

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

but the origin of covid really has nothing to do with any of that. if anything, saying covid was a lab leak implies it's a bigger problem than it would be if they keep playing it down as "just a cold".

[–] valaramech@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but now they can insinuate that China did it intentionally and get people real mad over bullshit to keep them distracted from other things. Maybe also to get their base behind the tariffs against China so they can then turn around and say that the price increases aren't the tariffs but Chinese retaliation against the tariffs.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah well I conclude that Congressional Republicans like the smell of old people's farts and I have just as much evidence.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry, but you have far more evidence than they do.

[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

He didn't even give a single citation. I decry sanctus@lemmy.world worse than the Republicans in the article.

A single group photo of Republicans would have been the bare minimum to back up his claim.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Typed up this whole thing about how it's difficult to scientifically test masks through humans and forgot you can just test whether a disease spreads through aerosols and how well masks protect from aerosols.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They want to set up the justification to go to war with China...