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“We let this monster of our own creation rage out of control for 8 years, and he’s still out of control!”
Edit: Also, the Party that tried to enable him to short circuit the democratic process and attempt a violent coup is suddenly upset… that he’s not following the democratic process. :(
“We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
He who rides the tiger can never dismount.
He who lets the tiger mount them…
I think this is the real issue here, jfc.
A Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll of likely Republican caucus voters released Monday found that Trump’s lead over DeSantis has grown by 5 points since his indictment in Georgia last week on 13 criminal charges related to trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the state.
His approval went UP after the indictment. This is absolutely insane and only shows how hopeless US politics has become. How do you roll that division back? Can you even roll it back if everybody wanted to? This cat is out of the bag and I don't see it going back in there any time soon.
The only hope I've left is the division of the GOP itself. Let the extremists go somewhere else politically and it'll hopefully lead to a more, what is the word again, fact based approach of politics when the extremists can be ignored because you don't have to appease them.
Why is all U.S. politics hopeless because of what's happening inside the losing party?
The dems are far from perfect, but their side is much less "hopeless" as you put it.
Because the Republicans currently have the support of something like 20% more of the population than the NAZIs did when they seized power.
Remember, unlike folks who believe in democracy, tyrants don't need a majority to win.
This is an extremely dangerous time for liberty in the US, and complacent attitudes like yours are only increasing the danger.
The rebulicans have plenty of politicians in power besides the president. As long as the voters favour trump they'll need to appease them to get into the other houses.
In an ideal world it will split there vote allowing massive dem gains. But that hasn't happened yet.
If there's anything the GOP is good at, it's mobilizing and motivating their voters. When they are all so alike, it's easy to get them to agree on the stupid shit.
The democrats have the issue of diversity, which makes it hard to motivate large groups of people on a single issue. Love the diversity for the strength it brings, but it makes it hard to feel you're getting adequate representation in a two-party, first-past-the-post system no matter who you are.
I wouldn't trade the diversity for the mess the GOP is though.
Mainstream "normal" republicans won't actually not vote republican. They know that their only hope of maintaining some power is to continue to work with the batshit crazy regressives.
They got in bed with these people via the Southern Strategy, and they've only recently started making noises like they're uncomfortable. Once they're in the booth, though, they will still vote straight ticket.
I expect the Mitt Romney/Chris Christie wing to do a hostile take over of the Libertarian Party and abandon the GOP lable to the Trump wing.
It would be easier to take over a party that's already on all state ballots then create a new one from the ground up.
Honestly it’s just as easy as the media deciding they want us all to be friends again.
That’s legit all it takes.
If left and right wing media outlets would just start an initiative to bring the country together, everyone would fall in line. People only think what they are told to think.
The issue is that these corporations want money, and happiness doesn’t make money.
Lots of zombies out there.
Hitler became dictator only after he was sent and got out of jail. Lula in Brazil more recently was sent to jail and then got out and won a presidential election.
The Justice system coming after you feeds the Trumper's belief that the system is against him. Therefore he is anti-establishment therefore they must vote for him because there is a very strong anti-establishment movement right now.
It's why I think it was a very dangerous and potentially foolish decision to bring charges against him. We may be starting a chain of events that will get out of control.
You're right, we should just let Trump break as many laws as he wants because we are scared of his yokel supporters. That would be way better.
I don't think they are suggesting he should be allowed to break laws, but acknowledging the challenge the accountability brings with it.
The error with Hitler wasn't sending him to prison, it was letting him out again after only a few months.
I think there is a bit of cherry picking in this. I don't think you're wrong that the charges will rile up his supporters, but plenty of dictators have taken power without going to jail.
The problem was already there, charges or not we were going to have to deal with a very violent mob, at least with charges filed we stand up for the moral value that all people (should be) are equal under the law.
I agree you don't need it but I think there's a certain zeitgeist going on right now and for example the last Brazilian president before Lula, Bolsonaro is also being prosecuted and they're trying to put him in jail.
These types of things are not normal in a stable and healthy democracy. We are teetering on the edge. I just hope Democrats can win this next election. I hate them with a passion but I think they can at least maintain the system functional for another 4 years.
Just never let the fuck head out and problem solved.
Therefore he is anti-establishment
Being a crime lord does not make anyone "anti-establishment". Bernie Sanders says Treason Trump is the most corrupt president in history. What matters is not a meaningless abstract word but whether the billionaire elites support your policies, and they love Treason Trump's tax cuts for the rich.
Of course but you try explaining that to the Trumpers. They won't believe you. They hear Trump say "witch hunt" and "hoax" so they're primed to believe it and then he tells them the government is against him.. they see the justice system going after them.. it almost becomes evidence for it. You see what I mean?
Like the name. Was just thinking of the wonderful comedian last night.
He’s not part of the party and never was. They let him come in and take over. It’s time for them to really up their language and actions against Trump rather than coddling him and his followers out of fear.
That won't happen until long after he's dead. They'll prop him up as their golden calf until he can't speak anymore. Then like a light switch they'll have never supported him in the slightest and he was the evil man that took control of the GOP and made them look bad for 20 years.
Christ I hope Trump doesn't live another 12 years
He has access to better healthcare than 99% of the rest of us. Despite his best efforts I don't think we'll be rid of him anytime soon.
I think he's going to flee America and do some sort of radio / online media message as a deposed ~~dictator~~ president . And continue to grift until he can't.
It might be closer to when he’s no longer a viable candidate. They turned on Bush practically before he was out of office
Convicted Sex Offender Loser Trump will lose to Biden again by an even bigger margin, and then exhaust his criminal appeals, then go to jail for the rest of his life. The every GOP voter will suddenly claim they never really supported Convicted Sex Offender Loser Trump.
Trump is 100% the Republican party of today. Maybe you could say he was an outsider in 2015 having little political experience but he is now the face of the party. He is leading in Iowa by 23 points and in national polls by an average of 37 points. Republicans courted the MAGA base for a long time and now that they have control of the party. The Republican party can no more excise Trump and his base than one could cut out their own heart and remain whole.
Trump is a truer conservative than any Republican before him.
Fantastic video from them as always. Love it when they dive into sources like this, gives very little room for conservatives to lie about the foundation of their ideology.
No, I think we should let them continue tearing themselves apart
This is another example of how leniency for those who would make themselves king eventually leads to dictatorship. See you in another 5 years for the civil war.
See you in another 5 years for the civil war.
I worry that you're being optimistic
Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how "conservative" Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn't a symptom, it's result
It's almost like you shouldn't have put your eggs all in one basket.
Clown show.
If the GOP actually does something, the only thing they can would be to kick him out of the GOP. However, if they do that, Trump will most likely form his own political party, and start attracting senators, governors, and house members to switch to his new party to give it legitimately.
I have been saying and I will keep on saying this, Trump is the modern day Hitler.
To the surprise of absolutely no one.
The only way to discourage this behavior is to help the other candidates make their pitch, which has to be why they are a better choice than Trump.
This should be how it works, the entire reason for the debate is that the attendees benefit from the attention.
But will conservatives even watch a debate that Trump isn't attending?
They would need a miracle to pass him at this point.