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[–] CapgrasDelusion@kbin.social 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

As far as I can tell, this prolifically posting account has literally never posted an article that wasn't negative on Ukraine, and posts about 90% negative on the West in general. For whatever that's worth.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (15 children)

And half the comments in this thread are from queermunist, who's all for the "just let Russia have what it wants and everything will be great" side.

The flood of Rexiters did a lot to smother the tankie presence on the Lemmyverse, but it's clearly still a strong undercurrent.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Posting "90% negative on the West in general" is still softballing it.

But yeah... still lots of pro-Russian propaganda flowing around here.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess Washington Post is Russian propaganda now...

[–] CapgrasDelusion@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't attack the source. I just pointed out that someone posting more than most on lemmy could push a certain point of view using any and all sources if they cherry pick.

[–] Pete90@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for looking into it!

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unfortunately Russia's strategy of mining the front so heavily it won't be safe for a hundred years is proving pretty effect at slowing the Ukrainian advance. I hope the rest of the world never lets up on the sanctions. Russia is a fucked backwater that loves war crimes. They need to be punished.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Excessive sanctions long after the reason for them can have a detrimental long term outcome. I am with you to sanction hard while they occupy even one square inch and I emotionally want then to pay for long after but in the name of stability, that is not the best option.

The reality is that this conflict is only being driven by a relatively small number of people. Everyone else is along for the ride or being brainwashed. Punish those people for life but unfortunately that will never cover the economic cost much less that of life.

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[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16. They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And another important thing to bear in mind is that the start of the advance is the hardest part of the advance. Russia has built up a thick crust of defensive lines. At some point the advance penetrates that crust, and then the gooey center goes much more quickly.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Now I want cupcakes. Dammit.

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And what is wrong with Ukraine not just bashing its head into russian defenses and instead go for a slow-and-steady approach? They still have reserves to spare, word is Ukraine is rotating its troops on the front regularly. So as long as Ukraine can keep up the pressure and russia not being able to stop their slow advance, they will be successful eventually. Would another Kharkiv thrunder-run be preferable? Surely.
But russia is prepared this time. And instead of being all doom-and-gloom, the West could step up its commitment to see Ukraine win. Apart from artillery shell production, weapon manufacturers still see no increase in weapons procurement. It's time for the West to let actions follow its words on support of Ukraine. As long as their words ring hollow, Putin only has to wait and eventually outpace dwindling western support.

[–] diffuselight@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ukraine is fighting for their existence, russia is fighting for the oligarchs. Ukraine will prevail.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

That's the hope but that didn't save Georgia.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ukraine appears to be running out of options in a counteroffensive that officials originally framed as Kyiv’s crucial operation to retake significant territory from occupying Russian forces this year.

Meanwhile, a war weary Ukrainian public is eager for leaders in Kyiv to secure victory and in Washington, calls to cut back on aid to Ukraine are expected to be amplified in the run up to the 2024 U.S. presidential election.

“The question here is which of the two sides is going to be worn out sooner,” said Franz-Stefan Gady, a senior fellow with the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Center for a New American Security, who visited Ukraine in July.

Sak, the adviser to the defense minister, said the slow progress clearing extensive mine fields along the front is preventing Kyiv from engaging the majority of its Western-trained reserve forces.

Ukrainian forces have retaken roughly 81 square miles of occupied territory since the counteroffensive began in June, with the greatest gains occurring near Bakhmut in the east and in the Zaporizhzhia region south of Orikhiv.

The Biden administration has “very successfully” managed risk of a direct conflict with Russia by gradually providing Kyiv with more advanced weapons systems and longer-range munitions, said Kelly Grieco, who researches air power operations as a senior fellow at the Stimson Center, a D.C.-based policy group.


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