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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 36 points 7 hours ago (24 children)

Biden did more to help the working class than any president in my lifetime. People are too stupid or don't pay enough attention to realize it.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 6 minutes ago

This is true, but only because every President since FDR did damage to the working class. Biden was absolutely a breath of fresh air, and it's unfortunate that neither he nor Kamala were loud enough about it.

With the campaign Kamala ran, it would surprise the hell out of me if most voters understood the good that Biden did. To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don't go away. It was campaign malpractice to try and sit on past accomplishments without offering new initiatives to make things better.

What Kamala offered was too little, too complicated, and too quiet. All voters heard was that she would be the same as Biden, and that CEOs and neocon warmongers love her.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

It's complicated. Tl;dr: they're both true.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

We're still drowning, but at least he tossed us some water wings.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

biden is extremely popular among blue collar workers, he really has done a lot. As well as a number of things for veterans as well.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Then why didn't Blue Collar Workers vote for his Vice President?

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Because she has a vagina and is exactly not an old white guy.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 37 minutes ago

That tracks

[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

What has he done for the working class?

the IRA includes long term tax benefits for basically everybody, most impact-fully, people in the lower income brackets. Both the CHIPS act and infra bill have provided for a lot of jobs. He didn't kill oil, like trump seems to pretend happened. Im sure there are a number of other things i'm missing as well. Biden was an absolute legislation machine.

Notably, the economy is doing very well right now. Granted the perception tends to lag, that's natural.

[–] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

From a 2 second google search: Biden's policies that have helped the working class include the American Rescue Plan, which provided direct financial aid and extended unemployment benefits, and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which aims to create good-paying jobs. Additionally, efforts to strengthen unions and raise the minimum wage have also supported working-class Americans.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans: Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, kill all social programs, raise taxes on the 99%, kill public infrastructure, and lastly go fuck yourself (Republican voter base proceeds to cheer)

Democrats: Uhhhhh.... Tax cuts for small buisnesses anyone? Oh wait the republicans are calling us communist for doing that. Well if we just compromise with them and allow sooome fascism we'll be able to get some of our agenda across as well. (Leftists proceed to boo the Dems for being Fascism Lite™)

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

can i get an example of the "some" fascism?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 15 minutes ago

Examples of Fascism:

  • Funding "Israel"s genocidal "war"
  • Funding dictators (ex: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc)
  • Tax breaks for the wealthy in exchange for favors
  • Compromising on the civil liberties of minorities
  • Allowing states to establish Fascism
  • Normalizing Fascist positions (ex: border, security, defense, etc)
  • Actively fighting actural Leftists because they make the capitalist class feel uncomfortable

Giving support to Israel is one example that some people would likely provide. I would like to see as few war crimes as possible, and I'm not certain that Israel isn't committing any (to put things very lightly).

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 94 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (12 children)

From an outsider perspective, the Dems may be hopeless neoliberals, but isn't it more:

R: hehe sure we will hehehe

D: here's a set of policies that should improve things

Voters: too complicated, just say yes.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 47 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The Dems proposals are crumbs on what we should have. Universal health and education for example, never make it out of the primaries. Very few Democrats, really the ones that are Democrats so they don't have to start a Social Democrat party, espouse that stuff. The rest of the party thinks a minimum wage increase will be enough and they can't even get that done.

In reality we need real cost of living counterweights. Government run grocery stores and basic retail. Private businesses literally told everyone that abnormal inflation after the pandemic was just them price gouging. And we're supposed to take a single policy that would have been good in 2005 as proof Democrats "get it"?

Fuck no.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

It's more like the Republicans promise the moon even if they intend to shove the sun up your ass, while the Dems only promise what they think that they can accomplish, and often even that gets trampled by Republicans willing to break the government just to keep the Dems from doing anything.

The last time we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress, we had the largest voter turnout ever recorded in the history of the country at that time. And then an even larger turnout for his second election. Cut to 2020, and we elected the VP of that guy largely on his relation to that former President and because he wasn't the other guy, and in this past election we saw several million less voters than 2020 with notable drops in support in swing states amongst Democrats and unaffiliated voters after right wing politicians voiced their support for Kamala.

There's also the issue to be had with the bias of media in the country and how that affects public perception. I still remember in 2016 when the news channels aired video of Trump's empty podium for an hour instead of Bernie Sanders' speech.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago

We can't DOOOOOO anything because they're meaner and stronger than we are! Even when they're in the minority!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

The time before that when we had a Democrat who made big promises and ran on a campaign of hope and progress he got re-elected three times and they had to make an amendment to stop it from happening again.

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[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 39 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

Tweeted by someone that voted against ranked choice voting lol

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