I honestly can't be mad. America voted. If anyone has the audacity to be upset when America falls to lawlessness and didn't vote to punish trump i cannot be concerned.
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I mean, we all saw this coming.
It still feels weird that you can’t jail someone in 4 years even if you prove they are guilty.
Americans should be rioting in the streets, let him serve from jail.
Liberals fundamentally can't do anything about this. Not even if they cared. Which they do not.
No amount if proof matters, because the liberal horizon of action does not include any remedy to this problem. Like asking your homeopath to treat a gun shot wound.
Key detail: they're not dropping it because they're giving up, the judge dismissed it without prejudice, which means that in 4 years they can pick the case back up. Under a Trump DoJ the case would likely have ended with prejudice, closing it permanently.
Even more motivation for Trump to abolish term limits.
He can't himself since it's spelled out in the constitution in the 22nd amendment.
So tl;dr it would need 3/4 of the states to repeal that. More detail than that, but that's what it boils down to.
More than likely he'd just go the direction of Russia/Putin and run behind a candidate he endorses but then effectively take control after the puppet candidate wins.
he can't
Why not? He couldn't steal an election attemot a violent coup or bankrupt a casino either.
Who's gonna stop him?
Who’s gonna stop him?
- All the states who are blue and/or prefer to not have a bumbling 82 year old wannabe dictator as president for a 3rd term.
- All the congress critters not living in MAGA-stan who value getting re-elected.
Yeah, they've all done a bang-up job over the last four years.
Yeah, they’ve all done a bang-up job over the last four years.
That's a bit like saying because you found a hair in your soup - which you found bland and overpriced - that you want a shit sandwich instead.
I didn't say I wanted the shit sandwich. I'm saying I don't trust them to keep the shit sandwich away from my plate.
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How? Why?
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Do you not remember last time? And why do you think losing an election will keep a loyalist out of power?
1a. How: The law. Literally Trump "can't" just say "I'm going to run again". The constitution forbids it. Now I'm not saying that will stop all the states from putting him on the ballot, but it will stop many, and that's enough to get any sane Republican screaming for an alternative. 1b. Why: The law. Republicans know perfectly well Trump is a shit-show, but they lacked the courage to say no to a 2nd term. A third term puts them into not-needing-a-spine-to-say-no territory. Many desperately want to get rid of him and that is their safe opportunity. 2. Of course I do. I also remember the attempted coup failed miserably. And anyway that is quite different from running in the primary.
1a the law, sane republicans
The Law Is Not A Magic Spell. It's a set of agreements enforced by violence. All the enforcers are fanatical fascists. And the last sane republican I know of died in February 2012. He hadn't voted for president this century. If those were still a thing; we wouldnt be in this position.
1b: the law, sane republicans
So, still not a magic spell. I'm afraid you dont know how cultists, social conformity, or sunk costs work. They're going to have endorsed the horrible things that happen here. They can't accept culpability for that. You know what they say;
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Or something.
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The coup failed because hisbpeople were profoundly incompetent and mostly senile. You'll notice the police and military dispatchers we suspiciously slow that day. It was just the poor rubes already on the ground there responding to this shit. The courts largely declined to ounish abuobe involved; all thd s um eho organized it got off clean, and even the worst of the nazis on the ground got milder sentences than any ive seen for juat being near someone who broke a window in 2020. What does any of this have to do with primaries? Why would they hold a primary?
I really hope that's the case. But if there's one thing I've learnt, it's that Trump can seemingly do whatever the fuck he wants.
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Oh that? That meant consecutive terms. Trump can totally be president again in 2028. Just ask SCOTUS.
You are speculating that SCOTUS will let some challenge slide. But it's the constitution and SCOTUS doesn't get to change what it says just because they are corrupt.
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"
Seems pretty crystal clear.
Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.
Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they're actually the same thing.
Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.
Demonstrably not.
Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they’re actually the same thing.
You are either 14 and very profound or a newly-minted graduate student. 'Cause I have no idea what you are trying to say.
He cannot create something from nothing. He cannot act without an equal and opposite reaction. He cannot exceed the ideal speed of unimpeded light. He cannot be smaller than the Planck length. Try as he might; it simply cannot be done.
A person has to actively to stop him from doing all the rape murder and genocide his shitty little chest void desires. Nobody has. Are you going to?
I'm saying calling both these categories 'laws' is misleading.
I’m saying calling both these categories ‘laws’ is misleading.
Undergrad?
Are you going to engage with my ideas, or try to discredit me by... Saying I'm getting an education?
I'm confused as to what your argument is here. My best guess is that what I said resonated with you enough to make you uncomfortable, and youre trying to discredit me so you dont have to think about it.
And I get that. I get trying to stay comfortable, I get trying to cling to what you have and what's worked to keep it in the past, but we no longer have that luxury. Do not rely on the 'law' to protect you. Start looking at alternatives. I know its scary, I know its new, and I know it might require change, but its what we need to get through this. Maybe what you find will end up enriching you long term, if you survive. Change isn't always bad.
What ideas?
Again, why are you replying ic not to engage with what I'm saying? You're just trying to insult(?) me so you don't have to, but you could have just clicked past my reply. That shows either my previous content was correct, or you're really profoundly lonely and are using this platform in leiu of human intimacy. No judgement if it's that second one; shit can be pretty grim out there.
A distinction without a difference
Well, if there was any doubt there is one law for the rich & well connected, and an entirely different law for the 'plebes', this put that deep in the ground...
Someone should go rip that blindfold off of any 'Blind Justice' statues, it is just gaslighting at this point.
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Legal justice has become a pipedream. The only options with any real chance of happening are vigilante justice or no justice.
Always was.
Well, community and restorative, but our society still sees those as equally/more objectionable than vigilante.
Vigilante Justice isn't really justice tho.
He's just gonna get famous for getting "Assassinated".
He needs to rot in prison and die there so his name is tainted forever.
The system is not your friend. Its goal is the preservation of power and stratification of society. Thats what it does, thats what its for.
Right now, he's power, and stratifying admirably. The courts and their bloody enforcers belong to him, or people like him.
Agreed, but I don't see that happening in the absence of a legal justice system.
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Remember when rational people in 2020 said Biden was too old and did t have it in him to fight fascism?
And the DNC said the president doesn't matter (but still had to be Biden) it was about the people they appoint.
Well, Bidens picks were Smith and Garland, and a bunch of other people who couldn't get shit accomplished.
Everyone needs to remember how Biden worked out, because in four years the DNC will want to run someone just like him again. And if they do we're fucked
You can't lay that on Smith. He accomplished a lot. But, no surprise, a Trump judge derailed it.
An election in four years … I like your optimism and I hope you are right.
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At least it's a dismissal without prejudice which leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office and as long as the statute of limitation hasn't run out.
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. “This outcome is not based on the merits or strength of the case against the defendant.”
We know, but we also know that Trump and his sycophants will use the argument that Trump "won" and it was baseless, political persecution, etc.
Why are you afraid to admit trump won? Can you still not see democrats lost the election? They were the ones we put our faith in and they came up short, again.
Let's be clear here. The blame doesn't go to the campaign. The blame doesn't go to the voters. The blame is squarely on leadership for not leading. Which leadership? Any one with D after their name that wasn't on the streets raising hell the last 4 years. Anyone with a D after their name who cashed their government funded check and never thought about how most Americans make fractions what they do and they can barely get by.
No this is a top down failure. The party wants so badly wants to be the GOP they will settle for letting the GOP win.
I don't think the person you are responding to is talking about Trump winning the election like you are. Unless I am misunderstanding, it sounds like they are saying that Republicans will point to this case being dropped as a win and that they were right all along. In other words, they will say that the Democrats were just unfairly trying to prosecute Trump, and dropping the case proves they had no evidence (even though that isn't why the case was dropped).
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