They weren't a monolith...
Some were peaceful hippies, others were like Sparta with every citizen a warrior and slaves doing all the other work.
Anyone that tries to lump them all together has no idea what they're talking about.
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What tribes were like Sparta? I'm only familiar with some of the ones in Oklahoma, but none of them were like that historically. I assume they're outside of the places I know.
Aztec comes to mind, as far as ridiculous warrior culture and a worship of violence. I don't think they had quite as much passionate gay sex though, sadly.
Imperfect? Probably. Better than what we're doing now? That's a fucking certainty.
Yes, but let’s be truthful and realistic about all of our past.
Sure, but we have a hell of lot more we can learn to live in balance from indigenous folks than we can from oil barons, tech bros and billionaires.
Absolutely. But a realistic, analytical view is important.
I liked very much the takes of most historians that are included but not the take of this video in general (I've seen approx half of it).
It seems to me like this video has a faulty starting point. Sure, the global north - left and right - still struggles to overcome the myth of the noble savage and I have the impression that the ecological Indian is a continuation of this linear eurocentric narrative.
The problem I see with this youtuber's take is well articulated in 44:25. For me this is definitely not a matter of properly categorizing past cultures in modern terminology, like environmentalism. It's about how cultures/civilisations are interacting with their environment in practice.
And this is why I really oppose the statement at 49:49.
The main argument of the video is that they are human beings who should be allowed to exist in their own right, outside of the mythologies propagated by polluting corporations and western countercultural movements. It is possible to deconstruct dehumanizing stereotypes while celebrating and advocating for the adoption of traditional ecological practices, but promoting these practices while conceptualizing indigenous people as supernatural fauna is big yuck.
The latter half of the video discusses how they were forced into the market economy to survive, how murderous westward expansion destroyed their cultures, with a major conclusion being:
The United States government is the most ecologically catastrophic force on planet Earth since the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.