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Most people on here don't mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.

The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.

When you meet some users who reply "you are misled by Western media" to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that's not a good faith debate I'm willing to participate in.

The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.

Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn't seem to want that. If you post something that they don't like (even if it's a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.

We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view

I will try to formulate this as well as I can:

"One should not give a platform to instances which don't give a platform to others."

Examples (based on hexbear):

• in some communities you get banned for voting the wrong way --> other instances don't practise banning for votes

• in some communities you get banned for being "reactionary" (that is, factual - Wikipedia would get banned just as quick) --> other instances only ban bigots, not people who politely disagree with locals

• in some communities, there is no obvious recourse to get a ban reviewed and reversed --> on other instances, there is a metacommunity about management or instructions about how to challenge a ban

The result: certain instances are granted a platform by others, but aren't granting a platform to "foreigners" in return. And management habits in some places are straight from North Korea.

Defederating from an echo chamber doesn't make your instance an echo chamber, unless you follow up by adopting the policies of the echo chamber you defederated from.

We have to fight ourselves instead of conservatives because someone's left isn't the right shade of blue.

Lemmy.ml spreads a lot of propaganda/disinformation, has opaque and questionable moderation, and regularly advocates for violence.

Cringe meta drama. Some people really want this place to be reddit.

If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I've blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it's much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they're mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.

It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.

You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.

I'm mainly on Lemmy becuase it's open source and like the idea and I want it to flourish and therefore every defederation makes me sad :(

If you're unhappy why stay? Personally I'm happy with the Lemmyverse as it stands now — certainly happier than in the corporate lowest-common-denominator that is now Reddit.

I wonder how long until .world defederates from .world.

It will. It will change which instance they shriek "tankie!" at.

Psyops aren't targetting Lemmy lol, its too niche