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Especially with the rise of "ghost postings" so quantity over quality is greater than ever these days

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 38 minutes ago

I think cover letters are still absolutely relevant to the job process.

I liken cover letters to cheat sheets that you prepare for an exam. You may not need to make one to be successful, but can be very helpful.

Usually with cover letters, I try to make the argument that I'm good for the company, and the company is good for me. This usually allows me to frame the way I look a new job as a business agreement where both parties can benefit, and that I'm not a parasite taking from them and not giving.

I don't make cover letters for each and every position I apply to or look into, but for those ones i think I have a good chance of landing and those companies I believe in, I'll absolutely put in more effort with cover letters.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Plot twist: make a one size fits all resume, but have AI tailor it and transmit it everywhere.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Double twist:

Just go work for the AI

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

Triple twist: Be the AI

[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago) (1 children)

Hello? It is me Danny Barcelona

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

Are you sure you're not Linux?

[–] CorvidCawder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

Is there a Lemmy equivalent to /r/beetlejuicing yet?

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

Leetlejuicing

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Just use a cover letter template with changeable placeholders

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Maybe it's the shit market that I'm applying to, but when I apply for a retail job, they want a fully filled out application (that auto fill always Borks, so I have to type everything in manually) as well as a cover sheet and some places want you to take a personality quiz that you have to pass for hr to even see your application. I couldn't imagine applying to 4 jobs a day, let alone 40.

I imagine we are talking about corporate postings where you just paste a link to LinkedIn and that does most of the work?

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

if indeed doesn't allow me to quick apply, it's gotta be a dream job to even want to go to their site and do even more work.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Jesus that sounds so demeaning. I haven't had to apply for a job in about 15 years now. All networking, and I was poached and offered my current job. Union now, so I'm set. I don't remember having to jump through so many hoops when I was younger and applying for a job, but recently I passed by a Wendy's and there must have been 50 people lined up outside with resumes because there was a job posting. That many people for one burger job, that's hard times.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, about that cover sheet. Did you not get the memo? We're putting new cover sheets on all the applications now, mmmkay? If you could just do that from now, that'd be great.

[–] CMonster@discuss.online 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I've worked for several big corps have never seen anything like that.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

lucky you, it's becoming more common.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

Unless something really good comes up yeah. Also most of the time I just put my generic CV up and get calls from recruiters. So the actual people hiring don't even see my CV

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Had one guy apply for a job in my field saying "My experiences in different field> will help me as ."

There is very little overlap in hard skills (soft ones obviously do help). Not like that matters a whole lot - their actual list of past jobs and skills would have landed them an interview at least, because we already expect it to be a learn-as-you-go type of deal. Bro would have been better off leaving it out and I would have just assumed they're trying to strike out in a different direction.

(I told HR to invite them for an interview anyway, because fuck cover letters - I'm not gonna hold anyone to a higher standard there than I'd like to be held to)

[–] GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Tried both, tried a normal resume and a resume with an ATS-focused layout, tried AI-based tools meant to help you improve your resume, and a few other things, and after more than forty applications in six months, what finally got me an interview and then very quickly an offer was an internal referral from a friend/ex-coworker. For context, I am a software engineer.

Fun fact: the average response time after submitting an application was 48 days.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, as I’m going to move across my country I’m basically calling on everyone I know to give me references there. I figure it’s time that my extroversion help me instead of hurting me like usual

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

and after more than forty applications in six months

That's not "spray and pray"

I just started a job search yesterday and I'm already at about 40 applications. My job search before this one I went from search start to offer in ~2 weeks w/ ~200 applications in, all manual. Though my industry is IT, so I do have a bit of flexibility as far as roles go, but still 6 applications/month is a bit on the low side IMO

[–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 hours ago

Yeah usually I send like 40 or applications each week. I imagine if you are in a specific field then it's a lot harder to do the spray and pray method tho

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 32 points 15 hours ago (11 children)

Never have done a cover letter. Just seems like pandering pretentious tripe

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This may be Australia specific, but do job postings not spell out what they want in other countries?

Like, job postings in Australia (these days) are: this is the job, here are the key selection criteria, please provide us a resume and cover letter (or just a resume, or cover letter optional, etc). Even down to maximum number of pages sometimes.

They just tell you, and part of the way they weed people out is if they fail to follow what's written (simple way to weed out anyone paying no attention).

Do other countries just have to GUESS what the recruitment managers want at each company?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Only about 3 out of 10 jobs I have applied for stipulated a cover letter and those 3 were trying to appear bigger than they were in other ways

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I don't think I've crafted a cover letter since we stopped sending resumes via snail mail.

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I always thought of a cover letter for clarifying something on your resume. Ex: you’re changing careers or industries and out want to clarify why your experience is relevant. So, I don’t do them for every application but in certain situations.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Originally it was to introduce yourself and why you're sending them a resume in the mail. A really good cover letter will get you past HR send your letter and resume to the hiring team. Thst function has largely been replaced by resume scanning tools.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

When I get them from new grads I delete them. Experienced people or weird resumes I might read if borderline.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Sometimes it is interesting reading the bad ones. They can't spell or use proper grammar apparently

[–] hraegsvelmir@lemm.ee 19 points 15 hours ago

Same. They already have my resume and application for the job, I'm not writing a whole page groveling and begging them to hire me.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 184 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (5 children)

In biology, the top one is called K-strategy and the bottom one R-strategy.
Both are valid strategies.

But generally, K is better suited for highly developed, intelligent, cooperative and social animals.
R is better suited for animals that live alone in a hostile environment full of predators.

There's a message about the modern job market in here somewhere I guess.

[–] ZOSTED@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

When you're an R-strategy being in a K-selection environment. 😔

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