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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 70 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I believe he is 100% serious. And I still think it shouldn't matter. The conflict will grow regardless, and the West shouldn't concede a single inch to the psychopathic asshole.

Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why are WE the ones afraid of consequences? Why should the so-called "mightiest nation on Earth" be the one that cowers whenever someone makes nuclear threats? Didn't we used to lead the world in creating fear of our military and our nuclear weapons?

I don't get how the right in particular treats the USA like a mighty jugger- nah I can't even frame my rhetorical thought, we all know that Russia is deeply involved in shaping the opinions and attitudes of our country's dumbest fuckwads.

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The US military is a juggernaut in conventional war, but there's no winners in nuclear war.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Otherwise we might as well hand him all of Europe on a silver platter.

And sadly I believe that a lot of Americans would prefer isolationism and are fine with this, as they'd get to cut military spending.

Of course, Europeans buy American goods and vice versa. If Russia ruled over all of Europe, Putin could just stop all trade with the US as a giant middle finger.

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[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 155 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

In my experience people who are against more Ukraine aid think that the dollar amount we send is actual cash that can be spent in other places, rather than pallets of munitions that don't keep forever anyway.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 76 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

And a part of that is old stuff that would be decommissioned so the cash is to make the new products. Or so I have understood it.

[–] Quill7513 69 points 6 days ago (3 children)

nah that's right. we've sent ukraine a shit ton of basically decommissioned shit. and even then we've been weirdly stingy, and unresponsive to their non military aid requests (their biggest ask is glass)

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Probably on account of every window in every city being broken by shockwaves from bombardments

[–] Quill7513 24 points 6 days ago

also ukrainian winters are notably brutal

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

And we're also saving a bunch on disposal costs for the old stuff.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s literal economic stimulus, US sends them old shit, and buys new and more expensive shit from local military suppliers. This is the “creating jobs” thing the right likes so much, except when it’s against Russian interests

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[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 days ago

Even for new weapons and ammo it is usually just spending on the local weapons manufacturers so basically just supporting your own economy.

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[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 109 points 6 days ago (12 children)

The tankies aren't going to like this meme.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If they browse NCD they'll be mad a lot. People on here have the normal take on whether the North Koreans are secret Wakanda good guys, and it comes up constantly.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago
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[–] josefo@leminal.space 65 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My bet is, if Putin dares to drop a single nuke, he will get assassinated. Lot of secret service agents, and other enthusiasts are straight up going to try that. During war that's allowed right?

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Mutually assured destruction is still a thing. We may not be at Cold War levels of insanity, where between the US and Russia there were enough nukes to glass the planet like 150 times over, but plenty of nations have arsenals (especially in Europe), and the best way to make enemies of the entirety of the world would be to be the first one to launch a nuke. Dropping a nuke would signal to every leader in the world that no country is safe from becoming an irradiated wasteland.

I think if Putin dropped a nuke, his allies would drop him faster than it would take NATO to declare all out war with Russia.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I read this book and it changed my opinion a little. Every scenario ends in a nuclear apocalypse, no matter who started with how much.
There might be a hero or two refusing to launch down the command line. But should we rely on that?

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[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 29 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I think if you're assassinating a public figure you're a little past caring about what's "allowed"

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'll pitch in bail money either way.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tankies: "Liberals are so blood-thirsty"

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Le natoo is a warmongering countri intensifies.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

My favourite was "inherently escalatory organization".

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago

Fox news is desperately pushing this and signal boosting their true leader constantly.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Fox has been pumping up the Russophobia since Putin started saber-rattling, most likely to justify Trump’s incoming “peace negotiations” that will result in sacrificing Ukrainian territory.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Man, I wonder if those Russian propaganda guys ever wish they had more non-bullshit to spew. Like, they have to keep up appearances, but it's usually easy to tell which statements are for the public, and which ones they might actually mean (like the threat to do proxy wars of their own), so it's just a lot of wasted words.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Pay attention to my threats or I'll... I'll MaKe MoRe ThReAtS! I MeAn It! I'mN oT KiDdInG ArOuNd!! ! !!!

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

One day the fire of a thousand suns will cleans the world from good and evil alike and will bring true balance.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Nah. It's gonna be bird flu.

Covid shut down the world with a death rate of like 1%.

Bird flu is 56%.

Don't let the sink in. It's coughing and looks like it's got Bird flu.

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