Attacking the wrong person aside, opening fire during a knife attack (not directed towards cops) seems like a huge overreaction.
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...that seems like one of the few times where shooting is justified.
If someone is literally about to kill a victim police should use force. Obviously, they shouldn't shoot three wrong person, but defending people from attackers is the entire reason for police to be armed.
But why shoot them? Why not at least tase them? To me it seems that taser would be as effective as a gun in this case but not as deadly
Tasers ate good for someone who's unarmed. They're not reliable enough to stop someone who is actively trying to kill someone with a weapon.
Games should have friendly fire more often to remind everyone not to fire into a melee
Also, person in undies vs a person in a hoodie and jacket. Who looks like they just got woken up out of bed vs was outside a moment ago.
I remember reading about major police fuck ups in 2000 when I was first really getting online. It never gets easier to look at these miserable excuses of policing. Best part is that the officer involved in this shooting was born at roughly the same time I became aware of this shit.
There's no better place to be a murdering son of a bitch than one's local police force. And that's a hundred fold now that's it's going to be the new Gestapo
Every leftist in this country needs to own a gun before they start banning gun sales based on political affiliation
Only YOU will be able to ensure your own safety in the next 4 years.
"After Brandon Durham falls to the floor the officer shoots him five more times."
Sounds like a fucking execution.
Dead people can't sue. Also shooting isn't to disable, shooting is to kill. You are trained to keep shooting until you are confident the threat is neutralized.
"Dispatch told us the lady who called for help had a really low-pitched, masculine voice. Not our fault."
Shoot first, investigate ourselves later. The lesson here is don't call the police? There's a good chance that you'll overpower the attacker than be rescued by undertrained police.
My dad once called the police to help his friend who was having a bit of scary episode. He was threatening to hurt himself. My dad, in a panic and feeling helpless, was hoping the police could help bring him down from the edge. All they did was make the situation worse, barking orders and making demands, escalating emotions. The night ended with the friend being tazed and arrested.
My dad no longer calls the police for things. Honestly, we're extremely lucky he wasn't shot.
I always laughed at these house signs that say: we don't call 911 and two revolvers. Now i think they are actually right, just for the wrong reasons.
In 2025 you have to protect yourself from police in America. They could come to the wrong door and bust in and try to kill you. You have a right to defend your life and that includes killing a police officer.
The next president has already said he's going to give them blanket immunity. That means cops can do anything they want now
Forget about 911, buy a gun and train often. The police will not only not protect you, they will kill you even if you are innocent
Guy had some violent criminals outside his house trying to break in and hurt him and his family. Calls the cops. Now he's got an extra violent criminal with a gun who breaks into his house and kills him. Why does anyone call the cops anymore???
Sadly this is the reality of it, he was targeted simply because he was a man attacked by a woman and society is often as misandrist as it is misogynistic.
As a person of color, we do not trust the police.
This is why.
As a person of personhood, this is likely the best default.
I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited, but I don't trust the police for the same reasons.
About a year ago I had a very disruptive neighbor. Every night he would bring tons of women over and play loud music, and yell over the music with the people he had over.
Then, in the daytime he had a girlfriend, who worked nights. Every day she'd come over and they'd yell for hours and hours. She had a legitimate reason to be angry at him. He was the father of his child. He never married her, and in the 6 months he'd been a father he got 2 other bitches pregnant. Her words, not mine. On top of that, he was calling off work to invite MORE bitches over, and making up the lost money by pawning her jewelry. Which only got him $23 because the pawn dealer ripped him off. She says it was real gold, real diamonds. And the jeweler convinced him to sell for $23.
On top of that, he wouldn't even let her and his son move in with him because it would "clash with his business". Essentially he was just giving excuse after excuse after excuse.
Why she didn't just leave him, and sue for child support, I don't know. He was clearly using her. He didn't love her. They fought daily. Neither of them were happy. And as they fought, the baby cried and cried and cried.
I asked him to keep it down. Others in the building asked the same. His indoor voice was louder than most peoples "onstage without a microphone" voice.
In short, for 8 months it was a daily struggle to sleep.
But I only complained to the landlord. Never the police. When my sister found out, she couldn't imagine what I meant by "This isn't something to be resolved by the police".
My sister is a Karen. A real bad one. She wants all her problems to go away with a complaint from her to someone else.
But she never stops to put herself in others shoes. I restrain myself from saying I "hated" that neighbor. Only because I reserve hate to be powerful and meaningful. So I don't hate him. However I do think he was highly inconsiderate not only to his girlfriend/son, but also all around him at any given time.
A real "main character" complex.
Still though, I didn't call the police, because I didn't feel his inconsiderate behavior prompted a risk of death.
IF (any that's a big IF), If police could be trusted to arrive, handle citizen resolution in a fair non-violent way, then yes, I'd have called the cops. I certainly felt it was a job they SHOU LD do. It just didn't feel like a job they COULD be trusted to do.
And none of my family/white friends could understand why. All of my black friends did.
I understand your motivations, but I think that guy would still have found his tires running flat on a regular basis. And his power going out. And any other petty things I could think of to make his life worse.
I hate that guy, whether you say it or not. He is bringing unwanted, unloved children into a world where they will always be at least a step behind their peers, and without any understanding of why their world is so hard. And the reason is THAT GUY. So fuck him. He deserves what he gets.
Person that looks like they were just outside, with crime hoodie and all? Probably not the suspect. Some guy half naked in his evening wear? POW POW POW!!!
Shit like this will be the police's downfall, because once the people don't trust you, you're not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.
you’re not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.
Corporate has asked you to describe the difference between these two pictures.
an officer-involved shooting occurred
Only the officer was involved in shooting.
Typical day on the job for police then
When seconds matter... The cops are minutes away
He would've been better off if they were hours away!
HARAMBE, pnut, now this guy