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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through "diplomatic means" as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump's return to the White House.

In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.

The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.

Zelenskyy said that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means."

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The idea that it is possible to "diplomacy" your way out of conflict with a dictator is so absurd I want to laugh my ass off, but unfortunately it isn't funny at all.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat, and now that he has his American buddy back in place, now with added musk funds, it is seriously delusional to think the situation is going to do anything other than escalate.

Zelenskyy is being beyond naive at best (I honestly don't believe he believes in what he's saying).

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wtf is with you people claiming you know what's best for these countries? Its like you're larping as the us state dept.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure who "you people" are, but at no point did I claim to know what's best, but I sure as fuck know, from knowing history and paying attention, that tyranny doesn't go away by asking nicely. Never has, never will.

So a better question would be wtf is with you claiming you know anything at all about global conflict or fascism? Its like you’re ~~larping as~~ a wilfully ignorant and overly confident centrist who is happy to lay others lives on the line and let war rage on as long as we aren't mean to a dictator. 🙄

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes we know Zelensky is an unelected dictator. You don't need to project.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

Lmfao, where did I even imply that? Talk about projecting.. 😂😂😂

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago

Oh wow, you got the tankies to come out in force

[–] davel@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

conflict with a dictator

Only one of these leaders is unelected, and it’s not the one you think.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

I doubt that, but its moot since Russia would inevitably win this war of attrition without having to do it. Also, the whole Russian meat grinder/meat wave thing is just recycled WWII Nazi war propaganda BS.

now that he has his American buddy back in place

CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016

now with added musk funds

Right, Enron Musk is personally keeping the Russian economy afloat with his own money 😂 This one really takes the cake.

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Logistically, how should Ukraine have held an election earlier this year, on account of dealing with an active invasion and contested territory?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t know. How should Ukraine have held an election when it has banned eleven political parties? Ukraine had a US-backed coup ten years ago[1][2]. It is nothing close to a democracy.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So it looks like it's finally happening?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.

[–] md5crypto@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shitlibs want endless war in Ukraine, till the last Ukrainian is dead.

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[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What he likely means "ending the war by diplomatic means" is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it's efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn't any different from "Zelensky's peace plan" that can be summed up in demand Russia's unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.

I fear it's this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can't give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don't bend with wind.

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[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The US won't allow it, the same way they didn't allow it the previous times.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.

This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.

We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.

[–] Cryan24@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

What's the better alternative to capitalism?

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I'm thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn't a random beaming of empathy in humanity.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Slavery still exists in multiple different forms tho

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whatever, you’re missing the point.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

No, I'm not. I am saying you are taking an abstract, idealist analysis that misses real historical motivations.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

No chance of help to protect his homeland from belligerent invasion? You've got to cut the losses.

Then Russia can invade in another 10 years and take more. Yay! It can be an every-decade thing!

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