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Here Come Trump’s Concentration Camps (thetyee.ca)
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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 21 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I have a problem with this:

“Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing,” Krugman writes. “For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 per cent of workers in meat-packing.”

The predictable effect, Krugman says, would be less food production and distribution, unless employers started paying far higher wages to attract new native-born workers. That in turn would boost the cost of groceries, when current prices are already too high.

The plain and obvious subtext here is that we're all exploiting undocumented workers already. I wish that when one of these articles talks about the "predictable effect" of deportations, that that would be mentioned out loud.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Throughout the last 30-50 years Democrats are exclusively the ones who acknowledge this problem and push legislation to get them on naturalized citizenships, while also giving the subsidies needed for farmers to pay their workers fair wage.

Republicans block these bills every single time.

Putting people in camps is not a good solution to any problem.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

You'd think that'd be true judging by the modern republican party, but IRCA in 1986 under Reagan was about the only large scale amnesty program ever done in the US. It legalized 2.7 million undocumented immigrants, which was about 75% of the undocumented at the time. It required that they pay back taxes, had been here 4 years, and had "good moral character", evidenced by no criminal history. Reagan was well aware of how critical immigrant labor was.

Modern dems talk about these issues but are either unable to get it done or think along much more limited goals. The Dream act and then daca were targetted at minors who entered the US undocumented, not the general undocumented immigrant population.

Reagan also appointed the first woman, Sandra Day Oconnor to the supreme court. He was full of paradoxes (he hated unions) and his personal life was an awful mess, but in some areas he'd be to the left of Biden.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 16 points 4 hours ago

This has been brought up over and over before the election. Immigrants also pay Billions into social services they can't use every year, and deporting them will impact them as well.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Can we do anything about this at all? This is not how a civilized nation acts. We are barbarians.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I prefer the term "shithole country". That way we can still blame it on other people and not collectively own any of the barbarity ourselves.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Well if you get 50 of your closest friends and show up with rifles when police come to abduct these people in their homes or workplaces then you can prevent it from happening

Every leftist who doesn't own a gun should be getting one right now before they start blocking gun sales to non trump loyalists

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Why does everyone go straight to guns and riots? Make a fucken People's PAC. Play the corpos and elites at their own game. Then if that doesnt work we can get the pitchforks.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

They don't go straight there, you're missing decades of innafective protest and peaceful organization. Peaceful protest in the US is only allowed because it's ineffective.

"Riots are the voice of the unheard" - MLK

"Those who make peaceful protest impossible will make violent revolution inevitable " - JFK

Corpos can only be defeated with violence or having enough money to bankrupt them. There's no "fixing the system from the inside" when the only way into that system is to be born rich.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I agree with you but it also seems like we haven't tried since Occupy Wallstreet.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

eh I dunno. If a cop pulls you over for a broken taillight and his computer says you own a gun, isnt there a much higher chance that they will freak out and shoot you for flimsy reasons?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Guns tend to raise tensions wherever they are at. Cause they're life delete buttons.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

You aren't wrong. But being walked all over because you took the high ground instead of responding in kind to someone else raising tensions isn't the answer. Just ask how that worked out for the Ukrainians who gave up their nukes.

It takes two to deescalate.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

What went wrong with Occupy? I need to look into that again. Cause you're just gonna either get put down under the Trump Admin with guns or revolutionary behavior. Not that we aren't gonna be down to guerilla but it seems like an extremely rough and costly life. Best hope on that is the Purged Generals decide to take America back.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

his computer says you own a gun

The fuck are you even talking about?!

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

you realize cops have computers in their cars right? And they look up your record when they pull you over? Do you even drive?

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 hours ago

It would require acting outside the confines of the law, because fascists aren't bound by the law either. And the more the US government is made obvious to be a joke, the more people might finally get the fucking clue that institutions are meaningless when they don't actually enforce the rules or provide meaningful support for what the working class actually needs, and they might eventually decide to do something about it.

That is, of course, hopeful thinking on my part, but I think it's the only correct answer to "what can we do when an overt fascist has power".

Additionally, on an interpersonal level, you need to find communities IRL if you don't have them, and be defiant together. Don't let these evil fucks normalize anymore bigotry or conspiracies than they already have. Even if social norms would dictate otherwise, call that shit out when it happens.

And don't preemptively give up or resign your position if you hold some sort of influential role in society. Don't make it easy for them. Every single bit of defiance makes it that much harder to impose the hell which they intend to inflict, which is in and of itself valuable.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

All you can do is aid and abet any targets of these grossly immoral and illegal actions. Not sure on the specifics of how yet given we don’t know how they’re going to attempt to do this…but once they do, that’s when we figure that out.