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Singapore Approves 2,600-Mile Undersea Cable to Import Solar Energy from Australia (newatlas.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by pedroapero@lemmy.ml to c/energy

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"The world's largest renewable energy and transmission project has received key approval from government officials," reports New Atlas.

Solar power from Australia will be carried 2,672 miles (4,300 kilometers) to Singapore over undersea cables in what's being called "the Australia-Asia Power Link project." Reuters reports that SunCable "aims to produce 6 gigawatts of electricity at a vast solar farm in Northern Australia and ship about a third of that to Singapore via undersea cable."

More from New Atlas:

[The project] will start by constructing a mammoth solar farm in Australia's Northern Territory to transmit around-the-clock clean power to [the Australian city] Darwin, and also export "reliable, cost-competitive renewable energy" to Singapore... with a clean energy generation capacity of up to 10 gigawatts, plus utility scale onsite storage. [The recently-obtained environmental approval] also green lights an 800-km (~500-mile) overhead transmission line between the solar precinct and Murrumujuk near Darwin...

If all of the dominoes line up perfectly, supply of the first clean electricity is estimated to start in the early 2030s. An overview graphic on the project page shows that the eventual end game for the Powell Creek development appears to be the generation of up to 20 GW of peak solar power and have some 36-42 GWh of battery storage on site.

Abstract credit: https://m.slashdot.org/story/434727

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[–] Oneser@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Is there already extensive precedence of undersea, long distance power distribution? I could imagine the losses would be outrageous at that distance.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

HVDC cables don't have the same losses as the more common AC cables.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

High voltage DC lines lose about 3% per 1000km, so this project with 4300km of lines could theoretically be set up to lose 12% in losses. There's also some experimentation with ultra high voltages that would be more efficient, but probably more complex to engineer.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

How about reliability?

Example, SwePol, from the Wikipedia:

SwePol is a 254.05-kilometre (157.86 mi)-long monopolar high-voltage direct current (HVDC) submarine cable between the Stärnö peninsula near Karlshamn, Sweden, and Bruskowo Wielkie, near Słupsk, Poland.[1]

The annual maintenance of SwePol lasted 6 days in September. Additionally, SwePol had 10 other planned maintenance outages during 2021. There were 5 minor disturbance outages, of which one lasted more than 8 hours. SwePol was offline due to disturbance outages for 49 hours in total in 2021. [10]

[–] 5715@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Maybe take a look at the North Sea Link with 730 km length, 1.4 GW power rating and estimated costs of €2 billion, becoming operational in 2021.

The NSL has thus roughly

one-sixth the length (730 km / 4300 km),
half-ish the power rating (1.4 GW / 3 GW) and
one-ninth the estimated costs (€2 Bn (or A$3.31 Bn) / A$30 Bn (or €18.12 Bn))

of the Australia-Asia Power Link.

Seems expensive to build above tried specifications.

[–] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

12x GW*km at 9x the price is better than 1:1 performance/cost scaling. Obviously labor price and other factors make it not apples to apples, but that doesn't seem like an awful scaling price premium

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

The most reliable system (against natural causes, political, and financial strife, as well as future-proofing) would be local microgeneration.

This sounds like a huge boondoggle.

[–] ecoenginefutures 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is one of the cases where I’d just argue for nuclear energy. Too many industries and too high population density makes it very hard to use solar energy properly, they don’t have a lot of land either so land redistribution probably wouldn’t work as an alternative measure.

[–] Oneser@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Do the economics of nuclear make sense though? A quick search showed around $5k/kW capacity. That's $5 billion per GW. Then there's permit and build times on top of that.

Surely renewables + distributed storage is going to become key?