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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (121 children)

They aren't wrong. At least not in spirit. In a non-stupid system they'd be correct at every level.

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Until everybody in the conversation understands the contents of that video, you aren't at the point where you can have the conversation meaningfully. It changes the whole game.

And once they understand it, the remaining conversation may just be a mutual nod of understanding. First past the post is a third party killer, and not because the idiot populace lacks the will. The actual voting math itself is the problem, and ranked choice (or similar) solves the voting math problem in a way that third, fourth, fifth parties can exist and win, instead of debuffing allies and by so doing helping their enemies.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago (6 children)

all they have to do is point out that they don't live in a swing state and that's it, there's nothing else to say, they just made a strong case and you have no rebuttal

lol

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (5 children)

There's tons to say.

Well, not tons, but a solid-ass rebuttal.

Those states do matter. They only "don't matter" because everybody in them has historically done and is predicted to do a certain thing. If enough people learn of that prediction, become unmotivated, and don't do that thing anymore, then those states become swing states which could swing the other way. It's not guaranteed to always be the way it's been.

"Blue state" and "red state" aren't unchanging aspects of the geography, they're the actions of individuals as seen from an aerial view.

Strongholds fall, and the commanders who act like theirs never could have a way of not writing history.

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