Welp, so much for Vice being a subversive voice of the people. They’re an embarrassing husk of their former selves.
this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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Yeah, but at least it's not government run media /s
I'm in Canada and I find the reporting of CBC and TVO to be fairly good - and I can only imagine the news landscape when all news is 100% privately corpo owned
Not to say either are beyond reproach when it comes to powerful special interests, but that only goes to show that monopolies are terrible and have unreasonable leverage and not some nihilistic comment on the nature of man or whatever.
Man In Canada at this point only CBC and Winnipeg Free Press are reliable news sources. The rest are all Murdoch rags.
Wonder why the conservatives hate the CBC so much...
We have to ban foreign nationals owning our media. They do not purchase media companies as business interests anymore; it is only ever about changing public opinion.
Domestic billionaires doing this is okay, though?
For profit news is a plague
Why do you think they want to influence your opinion. It is all about making money, and a lot more than they expect from some crappy newspaper. GB news hasn't made a single penny in profits, and yet are still giving out £100,000 pa contracts.
OTOH, Vice is a private company.
One could argue I guess that per country, international companies need to have distinct subsidiaries and those need to be fully owned and operated in that country only with no international cash flow.
But it'd be quite difficult to enforce, I'd imagine.
Make it illegal to publish news media inside the borders if you are a foreign national. I wouldn't have thought that a difficult concept.
Remember when you could count on vice to have a spine?
Just a bunch of jokers now.
They've been a joke for years. Their best reporters left or got promoted out of the picture. Once Shane stopped going out on reports and Ben left, they were done.
I honestly don't remember that.
The early days were fantastic. Shane had some solid stories around NK.
The "early days" of Vice is a shitty hipster magazine full of snarky insults about random people's clothes.
fuck Saudi Arabia
Love too live in a society with a free press
Yeah, people complain about this (rightfully so) but it's still worlds apart from the muzzled or murdered press in places like China and Russia.
I don't disagree with you factually, but why bring this up? This is essentially the same as pointing out that women have it worse elsewhere in the world anytime we talk about patriarchy in the US.
Because there's a ton of CCP and Kremlin propaganda on Lemmy and some people need to be reminded of the truth.
The truth is that Russia and China are not related to this post at all. If anything, you're trying to downplay the issue, but it is slow degradation what allows these things to establish as something normal and acceptable.
Amazing.
nice whataboutism
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Editors in Vice’s news division actively welcomed the piece, Lubbock said, as it fitted with the outlet’s track record of reporting on LGBTQ+ rights, autocratic regimes and the Middle East.
In another recent example, a film in the Vice world news Investigators series about Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman was deleted from the internet after being uploaded.
Five years ago the company paused its work in Saudi Arabia following the state-backed murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi but has since enthusiastically embraced the kingdom.
This time around, rather than pulling back from the country and enabling such pieces to be published, Vice, which last week was bought out of bankruptcy, is rapidly expanding in Saudi Arabia, as part of a wider strategy of shifting away from news and towards lifestyle content.
Until recently, ordinary Saudis feared a visit from the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, a powerful religious authority that enforced strict Islamic morals and cracked down on youth culture.
Saudi Arabia’s national investment fund has already bought Newcastle United, managed to wrestle partial control of golf and is paying unprecedented sums to lure some of the world’s top footballers to the country.
I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Editors in Vice’s news division actively welcomed the piece, Lubbock said, as it fitted with the outlet’s track record of reporting on LGBTQ+ rights, autocratic regimes and the Middle East.
Bad bot. The sentences before and after this are needed to understand the quoted sentence:
"Their reporting claimed the Saudi state is helping families to harass and threaten transgender Saudis based overseas."
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"However, publication of the article was repeatedly postponed and then cancelled at the last minute. Multiple sources at Vice said it was pulled after a high-level intervention by senior Vice managers, who said its publication could pose a threat to the safety of the company’s staff working in Saudi Arabia."
They are required to have ~~hostages~~ ... I mean they have staff in Saudi Arabia.
I would too, I enjoy my head being attached to my body
Now that Vice went bad, are there any similar outlets to it?
One small upcoming one is Popular Front, but they seem to have a stronger focus on conflict reporting and the subcultures associated with it. Seems to be a Vice News for Gen Z.
I'm fairly sure the Guardian were accused of toning down human rights stories about one country (I think like Bahrain or Oman or Qatar maybe?) as they were running an advertising supplement for their tourism board. It was covered in Private Eye so I don't know if the article will be available online. So if I'm remembering that correctly, the Guardian have got a bit of a cheek here.
They were also raided by uk intelligence after the snowden stuff, and are no longer independant. Never donate to them or even use the links - use the archive.is links .
:)
fuck saudi ar*bia
To be fair, “Vice” literally means immoral behavior. What did they expect?
What’s next are they going to buy their way into the white house? Oh wait