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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Shawn Jordan was sentenced Wednesday to 10 weekends in jail and 10 years probation. He pleaded guilty to raping the teen in 2022 in South Bristol.

Shawn Jordan also was sentenced to 10 years probation under an initial plea agreement. Jordan pleaded guilty earlier this year to raping the girl in 2022 in South Bristol.

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[–] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I get not wanting the victim to have to testify at that age, but how does a plea offer of less than a month in jail even get made for something like this?

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude! They took away his weekends! That is harsh!

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Now he'll have to do his raping during the week. The poor man!

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

I don't know the details, maybe those are sealed. I don't know anything and I'm not a lawyer. The defendant may have a legal advantage in that no victim will testify (victim is a child, we don't force children to testify).

It's fug ing absurd ill give you that

Because he's a cop. It's surprising he was even charged for it.

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 month ago

I read that headline as 10 weeks in jail, and thought "that's not enough time I should reread that" turns out I was wrong but the real headline was worse.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago

eh?! the weekends? like he's grounded? Can he choose which one, otherwise that could overlap with his plans he made for his weekends and that would be a bit harsh!

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Disgusting piece of shit and sentence.

[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

“I’m not entirely satisfied with the sentence … but ultimately as a prosecutor I have to weigh things like the impact of actually having to testify on the victim of this crime,” said Ontario County Assistant District Attorney Kelly Wolford. “And she’s a child, and she was going to have to face her accuser in the courtroom. And when I was given the opportunity to consider whether or not we’d take a guilty plea – absolutely, all day, in a circumstance like this.”

**** edit this is Canada shit, happened in Canada, apologies, I think it's relevant to the us *****

It's really rough. The u.s. judicial system is not prepared to deal with this.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Ontario is in Canada.

In fairness, when I saw Rochester I immediately assumed the non-city in the UK.

Edit: Wait what, it talks about Bristol, also in the UK, but apparently Ontario is also a county in the state of NY (which is again named after a UK city). So you were right, this is 'merica.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I thought the UK too, but realised you'd need pretty bad lead poisoning to spell "Shaun" or "Sean" as "Shawn" so that makes more sense 😂

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Shit I completely forgot this was a Canada story. That's a whole ass other country! Fuck me for my nationalist centrism. Oh and **** jjjjjjjjjjjj

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Rochester NY, it's a US story.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Canada has a very serious violence against women problem. And as it turns out a horrific sentencing problem

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

It's a US story

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

Thanks friend, always appreciate a bit of solidarity in the face of stupid

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

He's a cop so he can never be wrong but we'll give you a token to shut you up.

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And this is why I will never trust the police. Not here. Not in any other place I have lived. Why does this monster get to keep on living and the rest of us suffer his abuse? Sure, keep on making "task forces" to bring the gun violence down in the city, but we are still going to rape your children. Fuck the entire force and "justice" system for not putting this guy behind bars. I seriously doubt Monroe county will punish him either.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Or the courts, who enable them. The entire ~~Justice~~ Punishment Industrial Complex deserves to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up, complete with a well funded independent ethics and monitoring system.

it's funny seeing everyone in the thread outing themselves as not reading the article. guys the location is the very first part of the article body.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The UK has a pedophile king. Ofc they're going to be extremely lenient with sexual assault of a minor.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this happened in Bristol NY, USA

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

not in Canada? I don't know what to believe anymore

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Ontario County is a county in the U.S. State of New York. As of the 2020 census, the population was 112,458.[1] The county seat is Canandaigua.[2] The county is part of the Finger Lakes region of the state.

Ontario County is part of the Rochester, NY Metropolitan Statistical Area.

In 2006, Progressive Farmer rated Ontario County as the "Best Place to Live" in the U.S., for its "great schools, low crime, excellent health care" and its proximity to Rochester.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Is Charles a nonce? We all know Andrew is, but Charles?