As one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency platforms, we are constantly working to support the most comprehensive set of digital assets possible in alignment with applicable regulatory and compliance obligations.

What’s changing?

After thorough consideration, and exploration of all viable alternatives, we concluded we have no choice but to delist Monero (XMR) in the European Economic Area (EEA) due to regulatory changes.

We did not take this decision lightly and remain committed to providing our European clients with an exceptional trading experience.

What’s next?

On October 31st 2024 at 15:00 PM UTC, we will halt trading and deposits of all XMR markets (XMR/USD, XMR/EUR, XMR/BTC, XMR/USDT) for clients registered in the EEA. Any open XMR orders will also be automatically closed at this time. Note: Clients will remain able to withdraw XMR on Kraken until December 31st, 2024.
December 31st 2024 at 15:00 PM UTC is the deadline for withdrawing XMR. Any clients still holding an XMR balance after this date will have their XMR automatically converted to BTC by Kraken at the going market rate.
By January 6th 2025 23:59 PM UTC, we will distribute the converted XMR as BTC back to any clients who held XMR at the withdrawal deadline.

Any clients who hold an XMR balance at the time of the withdrawal deadline will be automatically included in the conversion of XMR to BTC.

As a leading cryptocurrency exchange, Kraken remains mission-driven and committed to supporting the most comprehensive set of digital assets possible, in alignment with our regulatory and compliance obligations.

We appreciate your understanding and ongoing support as we navigate the evolving regulatory landscape.

Link found on r/Monero - posted by u/MoneroFox : https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe

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[–] Wizard@monero.town 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

time for peeps to start switching to haveno!

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure is, maybe that will drive our average transaction count per day above 8.4, which is where it was at the end of September.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The reason I don't use Haveno is because, all I've wanted since the beginning, was a simple UI like the now-defunct Wizardswap where I could say "Convert X XMR for Y BTC" and that was it. A user interface similar to Morphtoken.

On the backend, Wizardswap liquidity was provided by users who had crypto sitting in a multiwallet, and they had exchange rates they were willing to accept. "Only swap XMR for LTC if the rate is 5% in my favor", "Only swap BCH to BTC if the rate is 10% in my favor", etc.

Back when Haveno started, it seemed like they were going to go down this route, but alas, we have an overcomplex GUI and network designed for fiat on/off ramp that, while many people ask for, doesn't bring much liquidity and doesn't have many people use.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mind you, it is only five months old, and there were quite a few bugs in the beginning. I can see the liquidity and the trades per day growing. As an example, it was 4.8 trades per day and then it went up to 5.8 trades per day and now it's 8.4 trades per day on average.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's great, and I hope the transaction counts continue to climb, but it doesn't address the fact Haveno designed the UX around the tail end of liquidity (fiat) instead of the bulk of liquidity (swapping)

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But we have to have a fiat gateway that is not centralized and does not require KYC. Without that, the only way would be to KYC yourself. Once you are in the crypto ecosystem, going from one currency to another currency is stupid easy. But when you are in the fiat system, getting into the crypto system is hard as fuck unless you want to KYC yourself and not everybody can or wants to.

[–] boldsuck@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

KYC

Even with KYC, you can no longer get XMR in Europe. 😒 Anycoindirect & Litebit -> Down. Binance & Kraken delist XMR Haveno (Haveno-reto) is exactly the right thing at the right time.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cant you still do it on Cake Wallet? I know that Europeans have been able to buy Monero there in the past, but I'm assuming it requires KYC.

[–] boldsuck@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago

This was a topic in Haveno Simplex a few days ago. Not directly KYC but bank transfer or credit card number is necessary.

Cake wallet has only been running on Debian for a few weeks and is in beta. I have never bought through it or from any SWAPS. In the past, I bought XMR almost exclusively via limit buy on Binance & Kraken. And you know what I've been doing since five months 😅

[–] g2devi@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Give it time. I never used LocalMonero since I was happy with instant exchanges but I came close to using it just before it got shut down. At the time, there were only 2-3 acceptable sellers of XMR for Canadian Dollars and the best one kept having banking issues. There are currently 2 acceptable sellers of XMR for Canadian Dollars, which means that in Haveno's short life it's getting close to replacing LocalMonero for me. My hope is that eventually it gets integrated with Unstoppable Swap and BasicSwapDEX (and maybe Serai DEX) since there's no technical reason it can't automatically mirror the offers. Once that happens, it'll have more than enough liquidity for anyone.

[–] boldsuck@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 1 month ago

The reason I don’t use Haveno is because, all I’ve wanted since the beginning, was a simple UI like the now-defunct Wizardswap where I could say “Convert X XMR for Y BTC” and that was it. A user interface similar to Morphtoken.

For this purpose https://serai.exchange/ & https://unstoppableswap.net/ is being developed. You are welcome to help further develop, beta test or donate so that developers get paid.

If more people helped instead of just complaining and waiting for others to do it, things would be much better in the Monero community.

Back when Haveno started, it seemed like they were going to go down this route, but alas, we have an overcomplex GUI and network designed for fiat on/off ramp that, while many people ask for, doesn’t bring much liquidity and doesn’t have many people use.

?? Haveno is a Bisq fork and it has been clear for 4 years what it will be. A Bisq fork without DAO and mainly a Fiat <-> XMR gateway. Because that is exactly what was needed, which the latest news from Kraken makes clear again.

[–] jay_edwards@monero.town 4 points 1 month ago

It's time to switch to Exolix, Trocador and other instant crypto exchanges

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Just the EEA. In what regions do they still provide it?

[–] azalty@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago

Woops I omitted this crucial information from the title, fixed. Sorry for that.

[–] boldsuck@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 month ago

At least in the US. You could register an LLC and trade from Europe. Costs about €1500.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

US only now i think, but i wont swear to that

[–] boldsuck@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious how long this will last. Kraken is the last rock in the storm. I can imagine that Cake/Trocador/Changenow/Majestic/Godex/etc. will also buy XMR from Kraken. Kraken is the only Fiat XMR gateway I know of. Fed and Gov could have simply closed this last fiat on/off ramp. It may be that Haveno makes it easier for US-Kraken XMR to continue to exist.

[–] owe_addams@monero.town 2 points 1 month ago

I use Exolix and Trocador but I must say everyone who you named in your post - should have more than one provider of liquidity, so delisting Monero from Kraken won't turn them off

[–] Wave@monero.town 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Use BasicSwapDEX.com and run your Node for Swaps.