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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, the German word for agave syrup is "Agavendicksaft". Word-for-word that translates as "agave thick juice". Romantic...

Alright I'll try calling my SO agavendicksaft. If you never hear from me again then you know what happened

[–] MsSprouts@vegantheoryclub.org 2 points 1 month ago

I'm swooning over you for using that word.

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My girlfriend and I do that with a number of things. Instead of "kazerig" (cheesy) we say "edelgisterig" (nutritional-yeasty). She goes quite far with it; she always calls animal milk mother's milk and she always calls meat killed animals.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pretty sure if I called my wife a yeasty lady I'd be sleeping on the sofa for a while haha.

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago

Haha, it's all about tone!

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was unaware vegans did not eat honey. Feels like a plant product that animals prepare. I mean we are stealing it from them though.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fundamental philosophy behind veganism is one which recognises that other living beings do not exist to be exploited. The same reasons you would (hopefully) not break into your neighbour's home and raid their pantry apply to bees.

We don't know what it is like to be a bee but it seems like an extraordinary and morally risky claim to suppose it is like nothing to be a bee. That you can no more upset a bee than you can upset a rock. If they work hard to make honey, are willing to kill themselves defending it, who are we to use force to take it just so we can enjoy a sweet taste?

We vegans avoid animal products not because of some arcane system of rules, but because we are trying to avoid hurting others for our pleasure.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ok so it is basically the stealing thing. I was just not sure as far as common usage. There are so many levels between like a fruitarian and a lacto/ovo vegetarian.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those things are diets, veganism is a philosophy/way of living. Due to the philosophy we avoid animal products.

It's like, some people eat vegetarian because they're practicing Buddhism but eating vegetarian doesn't make someone a Buddhist.

There's been a degree of coopting the label of vegan with environmental stuff, or health stuff. Some plant based capitalism marketing stuff as vegan while killing animals to make it (e.g. beyond or impossible). Veganism is the non-human animal rights movement though, and there is more too it than a diet.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 1 month ago

I was unaware. I thought it was a type of diet. Granted fruitarian as I have known it explained is around not killing things but I still really just thought of it as a diet.

[–] MsSprouts@vegantheoryclub.org 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It is an animal product that is produced from their bodies. Using the same logic you could argue meat is a plant product as cows eat grass and hay.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honey is more like milk than meat, ethically speaking. You don't have to kill the animal to get it.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago

yeah but meat is a part of them. honey is a food they produce for themselves. I mean the bees eating honey are not practicing cannibalism.