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SPD Shower Though: I wish bees could be my bro. (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world to c/pixeldungeon@lemmy.world
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I kinda feel bad killing bees for their honey and wish we could be friends without enchanting or corrupting them. We normally take care of bees to share their honey IRL. :(

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While I'm on the subject, I actually wish there was a version of PD or some gameplay in SPD where you can save creatures instead of slaughtering them as the only solution to everything you encounter. Otherwise, it can feel like you're just in a power struggle with the Dwarve King and Yog is really a protector to stop anyone from wielding the amulet's power to grant wishes.

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I'm not even sure the amulet wants to be freed from the dungeon as it resists granting your wish to ascend by making it harder to leave... unless you keep killing everyone! After that, there's no lore on if it's a good or bad thing for anyone to have it back in the world, but based on that, it appears to create an undesired balancing effect that counters the wish granted which makes it more like dealing with a Jinn or blood craving demon.

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Not that I hate that idea as it makes for good storytelling but the game does have a pretty loose definition of the title "Hero" when you're really just breaking into someone else's house to loot and kill a bunch of homies who were unwillingly caught in the middle of the whole thing... lol. It might actually make more sense if the player characters were demonic creatures trying to rule the dungeon based on their actions in the story-line.

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I do like playing chaotic characters but sometimes it's more satisfying to be clever and helpful like Link... and while sometimes funny... not always absurdly murderous like Deadpool. Anyway, just thinking out loud!

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[–] Vencedor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can befriend a bee (it will follow you around and even go between floors with you) if you throw an elixir of honeyed healing. I thing Yog-Dzewa is an otherworldly demon that got the Yendor amulet and it uses it to grow in power with it. As the dwarf king says, it's power over this world is limited. Maybe it wants the amulet to conquer this dimension; is what I thing an otherworldly god that has limited power but can gain more with the amulet would try to do. Also, the dwarf king's mission as of right now is to stop Yog-Dzewa's minions from arising. And it's not like the king wants the amulet for just that, keeping Yog-Dzewa at bay, he uses it to controll the minds of the whole city. Probably they sent you down there to stop the dark magic from below, aka return the amulet of Yendor to the surface, as if not, its dark magic would probably start leaking onto the surface, and that'd be bad. I think that the amulet isn't the one that's resisting to be freed, I think it's Yog controlling the amulet the one that empowers the enemies and beckons them to you. But that's just my theory...

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I played nethack a lot and one of the first things I noticed about DP and PDS was the lack of a pacifist conduct.

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. That and the fact there is no real escape from hunger, so you feel like the clock is always ticking unlike nethack where you can explore at will.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hunger is definitely a thing in nethack. But you can eat the corpses to mitigate it. Maybe even go on a vegan challenge. And PD doesn't have a ring that slows hunger. That would so nice.

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, I almost never worry about hunger because there are so many corpses to eat and eventually that = of slow digestion shows up. Praying works too..

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah I haven't played Nethack in decades so I've forgotten about stuff like that. SPD Monk meditation is the closest equiv to praying in NH. Mainly fish, crabs, and white rats can give you corpse meat in SPD.

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hunger can be tough in vanilla PD but SPD has a Horn of Plenty artifact, raw meat from creatures that can be cooked, frozen, or alchamized to be edible without bad effects, bland fruit that can be alchemized with seeds and eaten for their good effects, honey pots alchemized with health potions to replenish health and satiety, food sold in shops, and various character abilities like the Huntress finding berries and Monk meditation which all make it pretty hard to starve tbh.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

SPD has the salt cube trinket in 2.5.0, it slows satiety loss at the cost of heavily reducing passive HP regen. Works well with the chalice and or a vampiric weapon.

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Thx for the tip on using honeyed healing. It never ceases to amaze me how there's always something new to learn in this game even after years of playing SPD.

As for the backstory, it can be interpreted in a number of ways and is really just a carry-over from the original dev logically creating some good vs bad guys. The stories were then added as other versions grew.

However, it might be time to start thinking like a dungeon master that has more tricks in their bag than, "OK what should I give the players to kill next?" and reward them with more than, "Yay, I killed everyone I met!"... lol.

There's also the matter of the Hero corrupting, enchanting, and conjuring other unwilling creatures to be fodder to kill for them which doesn't make the Hero much different than the Dwarve King. They appear to be two sides of the same coin if the Hero isn't actually helping, saving, or freeing anyone.

Finally, my other wish is that Lemmy would recognize paragraph spacing so posts don't look like a wall of text which is why I add dashes between them.

[–] MrRedstoner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Leave an empty line.

That way you get separate paragraphs. Lemmy uses Markdown (and so does reddit, actually, but you may be used to the fancy-pants editor)

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I did, like Reddit, but the spacing is almost non-existent

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No!

We need more.

Space!

(Sorry)

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Here's the wall of text my post looks like with the normal paragraph spacing formatting. It does end the line before starting the next paragraph but unlike Reddit, there's otherwise no spacing between them to make it easier to read.

"Thx for the tip on using honeyed healing. It never ceases to amaze me how there's always something new to learn in this game even after years of playing SPD.

As for the backstory, it can be interpreted in a number of ways and is really just a carry-over from the original dev logically creating some good vs bad guys. The stories were then added as other versions grew.

However, it might be time to start thinking like a dungeon master that has more tricks in their bag than, "OK what should I give the players to kill next?" and reward them with more than, "Yay, I killed everyone I met!"... lol.

There's also the matter of the Hero corrupting, enchanting, and conjuring other unwilling creatures to be fodder to kill for them which doesn't make the Hero much different than the Dwarve King. They appear to be two sides of the same coin if the Hero isn't actually helping, saving, or freeing anyone.

Finally, my other wish is that Lemmy would recognize paragraph spacing so posts don't look like a wall of text which is why I add dashes between them."

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What app are you using? Or the website? The default theme? A different theme? Might be a CSS issue. I don't recall there being any problems with paragraph spacing on the website myself.

Here's what I see in Thunder.

The website looks fine to me in a Chrome based browser on Android:

Looks the same in Firefox.

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Desktop old Lemmy... because the default theme for this sub has blinding pure white text over pitch black background which burns into my eyes and can still see it floating in the air if I blink or look away. The old Lemmy theme helps to gray the contrast a bit. I did try some other themes but they didn't format the paragraph spacing well either.

Here's what it looks like on my end...

https://i.postimg.cc/XYw6M1k0/Lemmy-Spacing.jpg

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

can still see it floating in the air if I blink or look away.

I have the same problem. I don't like pure black themes.

The "Darkly" theme on the website looks fine to me and has good paragraph spacing.

In my previous screenshot I wasn't logged in, so it was the default theme.

[–] GunnerSmith585@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ultimately, I respect the dev's choice to use whatever platform they prefer and certainly like the game enough to jump through some hoops to use Lemmy.

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However, I'm like many others who are just burnt out on having a zillion separate accounts to sites with their own quirks where it's just easier to main Reddit, even with its own faults because it's the popular choice, and while it's easy to lurk here, I admit I mainly only take the extra steps to log in and post here because I hope the dev will see it. It'd be fair for some folks to call me lazy tho.

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The dev is great about listening to feedback and constantly adding new content so in this case, I thought it might be interesting to add some wholesome content instead of more kill-kill-kill. I don't mean it as a complaint as much as starting a dialogue because I care about the game.

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So for instance, the Monk is fun but never thought it made sense as a Duelist sub-class so it could be cool to break it out as its own player character and give it more pacifist conduct like in NetHack.