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Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.

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[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 151 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Now it's really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Starting looking suspicious", huh?

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 weeks ago

Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 122 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wasn’t this just shut down…?

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 125 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it was withdrawn, removed from the agenda so there was no vote, now it's back on.

[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 76 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To add on this: removed because it was clear the vote would not have been in favor.

Was pretty clear that it would return sooner rather than later.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 52 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

They will try until it passes. And if it's stopped in the courts they will try again.

[–] EntropyPure@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, same with forcing ISPs to save connection data on all users long term. European court slapped on the hands a couple of times, still not done. Like some kind of undead policy

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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

That should be illegal.

  • "hey do you guys wanna go to bar X?"
  • "no we decided to go to bar Y"
  • "good if some of my friends come?"
  • "sure"
  • friends come over
  • "well it looks like most of us want to go to bar X"
[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, same as the last 15 times they tried.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

so we can't have secrets but they can?

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?"

Government: hides their plans

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[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the department.

[–] baxster@sopuli.xyz 103 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I will make a request and then post it.

[–] gregor@gregtech.eu 50 points 2 weeks ago

Pleasepleaseplease don't forget, we must see it!

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[–] James_Ryan@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I gonna lose my shit.. How can they force it this much

[–] nous@programming.dev 106 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 38 points 2 weeks ago

This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it's done.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 23 points 2 weeks ago

Literally how hackers operate.

The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 58 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For fuck's sake, guys, c'mon! Do we have to do this again, really?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 2 weeks ago

Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the Access to documents department.

Shady as fuck too.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.

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Here we go again

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 weeks ago

The children they deem to protect are trembling in fear right now.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 89 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So what actual people are responsible for this? If somebody were to dox them, they wouldn't care, right? Because nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?

[–] tesfabpel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the Council is made up of national Governments.

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[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever" (1984 - George Orwell).

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It was a good line but his general prediction was, thankfully, wrong. With caveats, we're not at all where 1984 forecast we would end up. Humans turn out to be more allergic to oppression than he imagined.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not yet

It is meant to be a warning

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dunno, I see a LOT of what he said existing today, especially the level of surveillance and control.

I highly recommend "Taking Control of Your Personal Data" by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390, likely available at your local library as a DVD or streaming.

I think it's the third episode where she clarifies how extensive online surveillance is - I was surprised, it was even greater than even my paranoic mind thought.

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

First they obliterate telegram (most likely the only ones that would not comply and still offer service in Europe, Facebook and Apple would just comply, Signal would drop Europe) and a few days later they restart talks on this.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Telegram isn't in trouble because they are a ""private"" messenger because 1) they aren't and 2) they basically asked for it. They are hosting pirates, drug dealers and scammers and they refuse government requests for the data they have about the user. That is the issue: not complying with data requests. For example, signal, a truly secure messenger, will comply with data requests and will send the authorities everything they have about a user, which is really not that much to begin with. This whole Telegram story is absolutely unrelated to chat control

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I beg to differ - meta both facebook and Instagram have loads of issue with crimes like human trafficking, pornography including the revenge one, scams and even live streams of rapes.

Every time you try to report scams or even impersonating anybody they reply "it doesn't violate community standards"

Is Zuckerberger being accused of human, sex , pedophilia and drugs trafficking

https://www.firstpost.com/world/instagram-enabled-paedophiles-to-find-child-pornography-prey-on-children-12707612.html

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/instagram-pedophile-network-child-pornography-researchers-1235635743/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jun/07/meta-instagram-self-generated-child-sexual-abuse-materials

Of course it is about chat control. American companies do allow sniffing the traffic, "the russian" telegram doesn't allow sniffing.

That's the only reason

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[–] anytimesoon@feddit.uk 11 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I'm still confused about people who consider telegram a private chat.

It's easy to verify for yourself that it isn't, so how is this still going around?

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[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] httpjames@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

Spam 1 if we should be worried

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

From what I can glean, it's another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for "suspicious activity"

Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life "for your own good"

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I always thought the "see something, say something" tag-line was creepy as fuck and don't understand why everyone doesn't get the same vibe. It's common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket "see something" which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it's for the best. I guess we'll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-

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[–] cumberboi 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This flowchart explains it well: Chat control flowchart Source

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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I suggest all of us to send a mail to the representatives of our country as Patrick Beyer suggests.

Feel free to post a list of emails.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago

Shit here we go again.

Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I live in Europe, but not in a EU country. Is there anything I can contribute with?

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[–] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

80s and 90s = peak humanity.

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