This just in, Brad Raffensperger thinks Cornel West and Claudia De la Cruz have a shot at spoiling Harris's chance for winning the state, but has to admit Jill Stein is a laughingstock.
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but has to admit Jill Stein is a laughingstock.
And yet enough people vote for her that the Dems don't want her on the ballot and are very very annoyed with her.
Seems that if she was such a "laughingstock," then you guys would have nothing to be afraid of, and the dem party could stop trying to block her name on the ballot. Right?!
Brad Raffensperger is a Republican.
Raffensperger, an elected Republican, overruled findings made last week by an administrative law judge that removed West and De la Cruz. West is running as an independent. De la Cruz is the nominee of the Party for Socialism and Liberation but has qualified as an independent in Georgia.
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ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia voters are likely to be able to choose from six candidates for president after Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Thursday put Cornel West and Claudia De la Cruz back on the ballot and ruled that the Green Party’s Jill Stein had qualified by another route.
“The Democratic Party wanted to restrict the choices available to Georgia voters because they didn’t want to compete with a socialist campaign that offers real solutions to the huge problems facing working people,” De la Cruz said in a statement. “We are proud to have stood up for our rights and the right of everyone in Georgia to vote for the candidate of their choosing.”
“A judge affirmed that none of these candidates were qualified to be on the Georgia ballot,” Democratic Party of Georgia Executive Director Tolulope Kevin Olasanoye said in a statement. “The secretary of state ignored the judge’s ruling that found each party failed to play by the rules. State election law is clear, and we are exploring our options.”
But Raffensperger, who makes the final decision, said one petition in De la Cruz’s or West’s name met the requirements of both state law and a 2016 court decision that limits the state to requiring only 7,500 signatures on a petition for statewide office. Counties have found that De la Cruz and West each collected more than the required 7,500 signatures.
“This is democracy at work, despite the best efforts of the Democrat Party to deny us access to voters,” Stein campaign manager Jason Call said in a statement. “We look forward to November.”
My fav part:
“The Democratic Party wanted to restrict the choices available to Georgia voters because they didn’t want to compete with a socialist campaign that offers real solutions to the huge problems facing working people,” De la Cruz said in a statement. “We are proud to have stood up for our rights and the right of everyone in Georgia to vote for the candidate of their choosing.”
Amen, sister!
Because a party that has no seats in congress, or any significant support in major states is going to be able to do…. anything is “a real solution”?
In the senate there are four sitting independents, only two of whom were elected as independents- and both Bernie and King caucus with dems. The other two are Manchin and Sinema.
There’s no independent in the house of reps.
Even if there were a chance a 3rd party (any 3rd party) gets elected as president… they’re not going to be effective as POTUS.
So if all of what you said is true, then the democratic party shouldn't be working so hard to keep them off the ballot, right?
So why the fear and anger at third parties, if they can't do "anything"?
The way you have it all laid out, sounds like you all have nothing to be afraid of at all! So why the anger about them?
If what I said is true? Are you seriously suggesting it’s not?
There are currently 4 independents in the senate. Manchin and sinema were elected as democrats, Bernie and King are “real” independents who happen to caucus with dems.
Everyone else in both the senate and house of reps are either democrats or republicans.
As for keeping them off the ballot, it’s simple math. There were 4-5 swing states that were won in 2020 by ~20k votes or less- which is an incredibly small margin.
They might not have a chance to actually win in any of the states, but they might be able to pull enough votes to let Trump win.
Do you really think they’re on the ballot to actually try and win? Nope.
It’s all show. If they were serious about it, as a party, they would focus on seats in the legislature, where they’re not just pissing away campaign resources with nothing to show- and, I might add, where they might be able to do something with FPTP elections.
My anger is because they’re off in a circle jerk instead of actually focusing on doing what can be done, realistically, today.
Meanwhile we have a choice between a fascist dick-fuck and “basically not that.”
They might not have a chance to actually win in any of the states, but they might be able to pull enough votes to let Trump win.
So I guess they can do something, then. Because you sorta downplayed their abilities in your earlier post. Because I guess they can get votes, which means I guess some people believe in their values.
Do you really think they’re on the ballot to actually try and win? Nope.
I think they are on the ballet because they want to make change. Do you think they woke up and said, "Hmmm, I want trump to win. I guess I'll fake all my values make it seem like I really care about what I say, start a third party...All so I can trick people into voting for me, and that will help Trump win!!! Yesssss, precious, a perfect plan! hahahahahhahaah!!"?
Do you think that is what is really happening?
Maybe, just maybe, they are fed up with false promises from both parties. They stand up, make their voices heard, and do something about it.
I'm third party. I don't care how mad democrats get. I don't care how mad Lemmy gets. I don't care how many "russian asset" and "Putin-lover" comments I get. I don't care how many "You want Trump to win then!" comments I get.
I share the same values as them. I, and as you have noted, many others do too.
I don't give a shit how mad you are or how many times you imply that I am doing it just to get Trump in office.
I'm not voting for your candidate. About half of the country isn't voting for your candidate. Accept it.
Not every person who isn't voting your way is some fascist pig. Do you understand?
Not only that, many predict that Harris is gonna win anyway, so calm down. But I'm still not gonna vote for her. And even if polls said Trump was gonna win, I still won't vote for her.
Ever. Accept it. Move on, friend.
So I guess they can do something, then. Because you sorta downplayed their abilities in your earlier post. Because I guess they can get votes, which means I guess some people believe in their values.
Not enough to win.
Which means either they’re incredibly deluded, or winning isn’t the goal. When was the last time someone who wasn’t a democrat or republican got a single electoral vote? The only one I know of is Hospers in ‘72.
And that was from a faithless elector, not actually winning in Virginia. (Gonna say Colin Powell doesn’t count- those were also faithless electors, and he was probably still republican in 2016.)
I share the same values as them. I--and as you have noted--many others do too.
Doesn’t change that a doomed POTUS run doesn’t actually change anything. And if by some miracle they do manage to win; what policy can they really change without congressional support.
It’s hard enough when you have more or less half of congress. They have… none.
Which again: if they’re serious parties why aren’t they using those resources to run for congress? Where they can actually bring “real solutions” to the table.
3rd party or independent candidates can win in congress.
Not enough to win.
But enough to make the democrats scared and mad. So I guess the aren't as weak as you implied.
winning isn’t the goal.
Ok, so tell us, what do you think the goal is? Just say it full on and no vague words.
Which again: if they’re serious parties why aren’t they using those resources to run for congress? Where they can actually bring “real solutions” to the table.
They do run for congress, and they also do local elections too. Haven't won any congress seats yet, but they have run. And as for local elections:
Californians have elected 55 of the 226 office-holding Greens nationwide. Other states with high numbers of Green elected officials include Pennsylvania (31), Wisconsin (23), Massachusetts (18) and Maine (17). Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.[68] Madison, Wisconsin is the city with the most Green elected officials (8), followed by Portland, Maine (7).
Also:
https://montanafreepress.org/2024/08/21/green-party-candidate-files-to-join-u-s-senate-race/
Now, having said that, do they suck at winning these? Yep! But don't think that they are just here to spoil presidential elections. They actually do try to run for congress and local.
Ok, so tell us, what do you think the goal is? Just say it full on and no vague words.
I’m not the one flacking for them. Never mind the candidate running for office.
I don’t like ascribing malice to what can easily be explained as stupidity, and generally, it doesn’t really matter.
Maine has the highest per capita number of Green elected officials in the country and the largest Green registration percentage with more than 29,273 Greens comprising 2.95% of the electorate as of November 2006.
Much strength. Such wow.
In 2020, they got what? .1% of the total nationwide vote?
Kinda makes you wonder why they’re dumping resources that could go to improving the grassroots candidates- or maybe sniping vulnerable seats in congress.
Again- malice or stupidity doesn’t really matter. They’re not acting like a serious party, so why should I- or anyone- take them seriously?
Values may be aligned- but they come with a lot of baggage and virtually no support and little upside.
I don’t like ascribing malice to what can easily be explained as stupidity, and generally, it doesn’t really matter.
Which I agree with. So, I just wanna clear the air. You DON'T think they are just doing it to get Trump elected on purpose. Because a lot of people on Lemmy, wierdly think that.
Much strength. Such wow.
I'm just pointing out that they are involved in smaller elections too. Some people are under the impression that they ONLY run in presidential elections just to "spoil" them.
Values may be aligned- but they come with a lot of baggage and virtually no support and little upside.
And I'm voting for them based on values, not based on the odds they have of winning or not. As are many others.
I’m just pointing out that they are involved in smaller elections too. Some people are under the impression that they ONLY run in presidential elections just to “spoil” them.
is that the party, though? or is that loosely-aligned people who see value in the "green" label. I imagine CA has a robust state-level party, considering their success there. But that's not translating to national gains.
as to why Stein, De la Cruz, or West are running.... I don't really know. I also don't really believe what they say when they give their reasons. Maybe they're trolling for donations? or maybe they like the attention? or, of course, they're deluded into thinking there is a chance where there is none.
Bernie is an exceptional candidate, and it's perhaps unfair to compare them to him... but he's done more good, and more to shift policy towards the left than all three of them combined. Is it as glamorous as a presidential run? far from. But it's more useful.
which brings us back to:
... a socialist campaign that offers real solutions to the huge problems facing working people...
Being a load of shit. Useless presidential campaigns off no solutions at all.
is that the party, though? or is that loosely-aligned people who see value in the “green” label.
Well, they are running under the Green Party label, so yeah, that counts at the party.
as to why Stein, De la Cruz, or West are running… I don’t really know. I also don’t really believe what they say when they give their reasons. Maybe they’re trolling for donations? or maybe they like the attention? or, of course, they’re deluded into thinking there is a chance where there is none.
Or maybe they want to make a difference and standing up for what is right. Even against the odds. I'm no fan of West, so I can't speak to his convictions, but Stein and De la Cruz seem genuine to me.
Bernie is an exceptional candidate, and it’s perhaps unfair to compare them to him… but he’s done more good, and more to shift policy towards the left than all three of them combined.
I agree. I would have voted for Bernie as well.
Well, they are running under the Green Party label, so yeah, that counts at the party.
but with virtually zero party support.
Or maybe they want to make a difference and standing up for what is right. Even against the odds. I’m no fan of West, so I can’t speak to his convictions, but Stein and De la Cruz seem genuine to me.
Shouting into the void might feel good and feel like standing up for something. and it accomplishes about as much. I would take a centrist like Angus King over them any day because he's at least got an understanding of what can be done and where. If Stein and De La Cruz are genuine .... I'm not sure that's any better, to be honest. A presidential campaign is not a good vehicle for encouraging social change. Either run for office where you can push that change and improve lives, or protest outside of it.
But don't tell me they're changing discourse somehow. The needle hasn't move. has never moved. at least not because of the campaigns.
but with virtually zero party support.
They had green party support.
Stein and De La Cruz might not win, but they do play a crucial role in pushing the political conversation by highlighting issues that the major parties prefer to avoid. Their campaigns can bring attention to important topics like climate change, healthcare reform, and income inequality, which forces the mainstream candidates to address these issues to avoid losing votes.
The needle hasn’t move. has never moved. at least not because of the campaigns.
While it might seem like the needle hasn't moved, the presence of third-party candidates has historically influenced the platforms of major parties, as we've seen with issues like minimum wage increases and environmental policies.
Running for office at any level—whether local, state, or national—contributes to the broader fight for social change by challenging the entrenched two-party system and advocating for alternative solutions.
as we've seen with issues like minimum wage increases
When was that?
Minimum wage has been $7.25/hr since 2009.
I love how you found the other mass spreader of dis/misinformation.
Birds of a feather, I guess.
[Claudia] De La Cruz
She is awesome, not to mention her record!
You two should go create your own instance and fill it with your propaganda.
~~propaganda~~ dissidence
Lemmy is the perfect spot.
You can be on a different instance and still be on Lemmy.
We know; feel free to join the other instances; we won't stop you.
Why are you referring to yourself as ‘we’?
Most people know of other instances, but they choose to be active in Lemmy World.
No one should or wants to stop others from joining other instances.