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Reddit, inadvertently becoming "Kill All Others" (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/reddit@lemmy.world

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I made 1 comment ever on r/trump which I am not even subbed to...

Imagine being brandished an enemy over a misunderstanding, and banned from an entire community. Especially via an automated method they admit isnt perfect? Now I must appeal? For what again? -- That is Kill All Others mentality, and I am labeled the Other.

For context: I try to be a centrist, a proper one with proper devil's advocation. I usually end up voting Democrat, but I like moderate Democrats and progressive Republicans. (But to be fair, even r/centrist over on Reddit is very... American-Left ideology). I think case-by-case application of ideologies to scenarios is best.

Here is them muting me for my shocked reply:

EDIT: Just wanted to specify with the above picture, I do not believe any side is correct, hence my use of quotation marks. Choosing sides at all, especially in a two-party system, is a mess and we have been warned this many times by many different successful leaders/philosophers. Even our founding fathers warned this... I would say this to an alt-right just as quickly as I do the alt-left.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No wonder they muted you. You responded to the ban like a whiny right-wing bitch who doesn't understand what freedom of speech actually is.

[+] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So me making a joke on r/trump deserves not being able to talk in a completely unrelated sub? I also am registered as, and vote, Democrat (typically, and when not I vote third-party).

Pretty logical conclusions we can make on "Freedoms" and "Speech" with this.

And with you assuming I am right wing because I: Dont like being banned as a alt-right maniac when I make 1 comment on a 1 subreddit that I hardly agree with. That's labeling and passing judgement. Disgusting how your comment has so many upvotes, when it is morally bankrupt.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think people are concluding you are right wing because your post history is full of pro-Trump apologia. You are walking a fine line on this topic. Nobody wants right wingers on Lemmy, so if you are coming across as a Trump supporter, or at the very least a Trump apologist, then people, including me, are obviously gonna be suspicious of your claimed political position.

And for the record, you have no right to say whatever you want on Reddit, or on this instance. dbzer0 is not a "free speech" instance, it's an Anarchist instance. If you don't understand the difference, then see this post for some light reading. FYI, you are expected to follow both the community and/or instance rules wherever you are posting. If you want to run your own instance and set your own rules, then go for it. Until that time, try to focus on something more productive than making excuses for Trump and being a "both-sides" bro.

[–] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, many subreddits have a bot that automatically bans you for making a single post in one that they don't like.

[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

It's a weird choice. I remember r/latestagecapitalism had one where if you accrued certain number of karma in unrelated subs, they would ban you.

[+] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So much for the "social" in social media. I made a silly quip too, not even anything supporting Trump. Hell I voted Gabbard last election like... I cant even partake in some subs? That's insane.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your comment doesn't seem very centrist, but that's neither here-nor-there. How did you perceive this as "Kill all others"?

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Silencing people who disagree with your side of the spectrum is a kill-all-others mentality. It is a slippery slope, and is authoritarian.

Also... how is advocating for freedom of speech sided? A centrist can make centrist observations. I may end up voting democrat, but this doesnt mean I dont see through the pandering. The same can be said to both sides...

Edit: I should add, it's the hasty labelling of me as an "other" for.. a misunderstanding (my comment on r/trump has 0 to do with Trump, it was actually about this exact thing going on), applying me to a group and restricting me - that is the Kill All Others I am seeing here.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

That is an extreme perspective to say the least. And freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. You said and I quote "I hope you don't feel like you're on the 'correct' side of the political spectrum. If you are a centrist, there is no 'correct' side. And the only real context to the statement is what you explained and what you said. There's always 3 sides to a story; your truth, their truth, and the truth. We have observed your truth, so what's their truth? IMO, that's what centrism is

And I will give you the benefit-of-the-doubt that I took your comment out of context, but based off of what I have right now, that's my view

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

Reddit has been like this for a while

[–] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you had responded to the ban like an adult and simply pointed that out in a polite way, I'd wager they would happily drop the ban. It's an automated process, and they included a helpful link for how to flag a false positive.

But instead you just threw a tantrum and acted like an ass. I would have muted you too.

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

A tantrum? What? Do you always hyperbolize?

Also an automated process to silence a community of people is disgusting morality. Just cause someone disagrees with you doesnt mean you silence them entirely. That's awful.

[–] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your entitlement is incredible.

Of course it isn't immoral to have private discussion groups. That's an absurd idea. Subreddits are private conversation spaces, not a public service, you aren't owed access to any of them. Do you have the same emotional reaction to invite only subreddits?

Have you stopped to consider for a moment why that filter might have been established?

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

having private discussion groups is different than banning someone from contribution simply because you think they might be something.

You are inadvertently supporting the same bases of bias that racial segregation came form.

And seeing as how everything is an echo-chamber nowadays, I am not surprised why that filter is established. It isnt always some great-evil yknow.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

You're not getting it.

Racial segregation is rooted in legislative and legal process, and that is also the scope of free speech. It does not go beyond that to private communities.

Even if you hadn't been snide in your reply, the mods could have taken a look at your comment history, quickly found the uncivil behavior there, and upheld the ban.

To paraphrase xkcd, free speech doesn't shield you from consequences. The people listening found you unwelcome, and they are showing you the door.

[–] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You are inadvertently supporting the same bases of bias that racial segregation came form.

No, sorry, but that's pretty dumb. There's nothing wrong with creating a conversation space that excludes people who make certain choices. That's the fundamental difference here. You weren't born into the wrong subreddit, you chose to post there. And a hell of a lot of people that choose to post there aggressively harass anyone questioning law enforcement. It's a nice way to weed out people who have no interest in good faith contributions, and there's an easy way to get unbanned for cases just like yours.

That is not in any way the same 'base of bias' as excluding people based on their race, gender, nationality, or sexual preferences.

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It isnt about the "safe-space" it's about the hasty judgement of someone and banning of them all based on suspicion.

So, say I was anti-Trump and I posted there... I would still be misunderstood as an "other" and labeled, banned, etc. Then have to appeal a ban for a judgement incorrectly pre-passed on me.

Which is, yes, 1000000% the same basis of mentality, the bias of a group, that people do when being racist, sexist, etc. They arent that way for 0 reason, they rationalize stereotypes as truths and then deny the entire group. That is this, in a nutshell.

[–] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 months ago

Your black and white view of this is exhausting. There is obviously a difference between making assumptions about a population based on inherent qualities, and making assumptions about a group of people based on all making the same decision. It is not stereotyping to assume that someone posting in a Donald Trump fan group is a fan of Donald Trump.

Now, I certainly wouldn't approve of infringing on anyone's actual first amendment rights on this kind of basis, but again, we're talking about completely private spaces here with absolutely no pretense of free speech. People do also have every right to create whatever exclusionary communities that they want.

So, say I was anti-Trump and I posted there... I would still be misunderstood as an "other" and labeled, banned, etc. Then have to appeal a ban for a judgement incorrectly pre-passed on me.

This is extra weird to me. Isn't this already the exact scenario you're claiming? The one that started the whole discussion? You've been claiming to be centrist and that you only posted there once, but now you're throwing it out like it's some hypothetical? I've been trying to assume the best here but it's getting increasingly difficult to believe you're anything but a bad actor trying to stir people up.

[–] stonerboner@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it’s Reddit. What did you expect? This has been status quo there for years. Maybe don’t use it, or accept the that Spez is a piece of shit and each community can decide it doesn’t want crossover from other communities.

But really, is blocking people who have activity in another sub so different from a mastodon instance defederating from another instance? Just in a shitty Reddit way?

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree but with your second paragraph, the question: Por qué no los dos?

Yes, it's kinda ill-natured on both. I dont see why that takes away from another (if that is what you're implying, sorry if I misunderstood).

[–] stonerboner@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 months ago

Defederation and limiting posting for certain users on Reddit are in no way ill natured. To suggest it is, is no different than Elon Musk’s “freedom of speech absolutism.” People who go out of their way to personally start a community have the right to draw a line (not including protected classes) as to who can join their party.

You are seeing the consequences of engaging with the worst of Reddit.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

So what was your comment? Who cares if it was automated or not when the comment is sufficiently bad?

Also, how did you ever imagine that your message is a reasonable response to the mods?

[–] tilefan@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

dude, your edit just lets us know that you have the political discernment of a 15-year-old.

[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the enlightened centrist 😂

[–] Jackary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, a limiting label by someone who pretends centrists cant have negative views about one side or the other.

You are proof of concept. I vote Democrat resoundingly, and the one time i didnt it was for Gabbard. But I can still admit that I see this shit way more on the left-hand-side of American Politics.

If I was a democrat who said this would you suddenly label me as a republican? Foolish mentality...

[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All you Centrist dudes do is argue with everybody and act intellectually superior get a life

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The word you want is “sophistry”.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

lol had something similar happen when I made a single comment in a post that came up on /r/all. It’s a terrible way to moderate and is basically like “zero tolerance” policies in public schools that do nothing to fix the problems