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Tim Hortons criticized for looking abroad to staff Ontario cafes (www.blogto.com)

submitted 2 months ago by Rocketmkfx@lemmy.myserv.one to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder: Tim Hortons hasn't been Canadian-owned since 1995

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And also Tim Horton died because he was driving dangerously on top of being drunk and high at the time.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Probably had CTE TBH.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This isn't fair to Canadians who may need those jobs. This isn't fair to the foreign workers who are often being exploited and may be trapped in that job for life. The only people who benefit are the ones at the top that pay for the wages and benefit from the subsidies.

How are these corporations seriously able to claim they couldn't find someone local qualified to pour coffee?? It is clear the system is being abused.

[+] Mpatch@lemmy.world -36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Lol Canadians don't want those shit jobs to begin with.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's re-write that in truthful language: Tim Hortons franchisees, who are multimillionaires, don't want to pay people a market wage and is looking to the government the bring in cheap labour to help them get richer.

[+] Mpatch@lemmy.world -29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Amazing to assume that a franchise out in cottage country makes anywhere near the same revenue as one in down town toronto. What would you say is market wage? $20 per hour $25 per hour $35 per hour?

[–] Breve@pawb.social 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The fair market wage is determined by the same market forces of supply and demand. If they can't find local workers at the wage they are offering, raise the wage until they can. If they can't afford the wages necessary to staff their business with local employees and still make a profit, then they have failed as a business. Simple as that.

Temporary foreign workers are supposed to fill skill gaps in the economy when not enough qualified workers exist, not to supply cheap labour when employers want to improve their bottom line.

I'd also like to point out that smaller local businesses don't have the power and money to exploit temporary foreign workers in the way corporations such as Tim Hortons can, putting them at a severe disadvantage to compete with them. These businesses still manage to survive in most markets, but would grow and thrive if the playing field was leveled. Fuck corporations, support small local businesses.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd also add that Tim Hortons are franchisees, and they're almost always a) very very wealthy, b) some of the most rapacious capitalists around, combining the worst of large/corporate inhumanity with the worst of small-business hustle, and importantly c) a very large voice when it comes to influencing local members of provincial and federal parliament.

As icing on the cake, a lot of them are also large-scale property investors.

There's a lot of whitewashing going on by labelling these people as "small-town business owners" or "mom-and-pop donut shop owners", but that image is largely a relic, and these people, today, are very, very rich, very very influential and are pushing some very, very toxic economic policy.

[–] Someone@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Temporary foreign workers are supposed to fill skill gaps in the economy when not enough qualified workers exist, not to supply cheap labour when employers want to improve their bottom line.

Even then it seems like the "temporary" part gets ignored. There should be some requirement to invest in local training for any specialized position that's needed long term/multiple times.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They would if they paid more.

If you aren't finding employees, offer more money, don't look abroad for people.

If you need to increase your prices to afford it, then increase your prices

If your restaurant doesn't survive because people think it's too expensive, that's the free market.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're spot on. Some businesses need to fail for the system to work properly, but for some reason we don't seem to want to let that happen.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 months ago

I'd be all for unfettered immigration if it worked both ways: you, the capitalist, get to try to hire people from cheaper parts of the world, but I, the worker, should be able to move anywhere, work immediately, gain citizenship and--this is the big one--unionize across borders.

[–] Nogami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Only because they don’t pay enough. They need to make it far more expensive to hire TFWs than to hire Canadians at decent wages.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 months ago

Shit coffee and an even more shit company. Sells "Canadianess" using cheap foreign labour and takes the profits out of country.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

Hmmmmm.....

[–] plaguesandbacon@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck TIm Hortons.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

You don't like their burned tap water and previously frozen carb pucks?

[–] N3rdBrain@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

https://lmiamap.ca/

McDo does this too and a lot of others we need to crack down on this.

[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 6 points 2 months ago

IIRC years ago Tim Hortons stop buying the coffee beans that was good, to buy cheap disgusting ones. And McDonalds then started to buy the good one, so the McDo coffee is what was the good old Tim ones.

I prefer McDo cofffee than Tim. I rarely go to Tim, maybe once a year.