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[–] graphito@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The description missed: desperate attempt of OP to paint Wikipedia (the open source successful project which democratized public knowledge) same colours as Facebook and Twitter.

I wonder if there's some kinda agenda behind it

[–] oblivion_comes@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

LOL really betting that people can't see libertarian Jimmy Wales begging for money while manicuring every narrative the DoD spits out. Just because sometimes they are willing to accept that napalm's ability to stick to flesh and burn underwater isn't "irrelevant pov" we can take them at face value as a bastion of democracy. Are you on the Atlantic Council or do you simply have a sandblaster pointed at your brain?

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Might want to look into WIkipedia's very well documented history of political bias, racism, sexism, etc.

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

fRrEdOm oF sPeEcH dOeSnT mEaN yOu gEt tO sPeAk wHaTeVeR yOu wAnT oN pRiVaTe pLaTfOrMs sO tHeReS nO cEnSoRsHiP!!!!!1!!

Well, based on that logic, fire safety rules no longer apply to private buildings! Only government buildings are required to install smoke detectors and keep fire escapes clear. How about that?

You don't get to claim something as a human right on the same level as access to food and water (and claim yourself as superior to countries that supposedly don't have it) and then give yourself exceptions that nullify it in almost every situation. There are no public government run platforms of speech in the US.

Full rant here: https://lemmy.ml/post/255762/comment/174695

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As someone who spent a year fighting the narrative on Wikipedia, the only thing I came to realize is they're right 95% of the time (and the remainder is a matter of one way or the other can't be proven, so they went with the common opinion)

Fwiw my account is even has the extended protected rank, I spent a lot of time on it

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Censorship in the West: we don't want that on our platform, person goes and finds a different platform.

Censorship under authoritarian governments: Criticize government? Straight to jail. Uncover wrongdoing by party official? Jail. Political opposition becoming more than controlled opposition? Believe it or not, jail.

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Censorship in the West for minor criticisms isn't overtly blocking in the information. Instead it is drowned out with the government's narrative on all major platforms of discourse

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (26 children)

Censorship in the West: we don’t want that on our platform, person goes and finds a different platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Political opposition becoming more than controlled opposition? Believe it or not, jail.

You mean like Assange and Manning?

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[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

I'm assuming you're talking about China in this.

Yeah no. For anyone just randomly complaining about the government, in order of frequency of "enforcement" used, frequency decreases exponentially: 1. No one cares and their post stays up forever; 2. The individual post gets removed or prevented from being posted; 3. Their account on that platform gets banned. The platforms in China like WeChat, the Chinese version of TikTok, etc are still private platforms by private companies btw.

Oh look! Some actual legislation on the subject! https://lemmy.ml/post/69688/comment/60571

It's only when you go beyond just criticizing the government and into advocating for violence, civil disorder, and coup when you actually get into law enforcement response and potential jail time. Which, by the way, is absolutely also true for Western countries, go ahead and point to a single Western "free speech" country that doesn't outlaw those in their legislation, I'll wait. By the way, despite popular Western belief, there are no "illegal speech" crimes that are punishable by death in China. They have these nifty things called "maximum punishments allowed by statute" just like the West, and death is only on the table for the most serious crimes like murder, rape, etc, just like the West.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

death is only on the table for the most serious crimes like murder, rape, etc, just like the West.

Massive economic crimes is also in, unlike the west.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Massive economic crime is a serious crime.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the west it just goes in the portfolio.

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[–] skomposzczet@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is wikipedia part of it?

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