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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just gonna keep on posting this

[–] Nepher@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That infographic fascinates me. It's obviously not made by an American because never received a car branded as the Qashqai which should have been labeled as the Hyundai Kona. Same as the CX-8. We have the CX-9 here. With those said, the detailed drawings of the cars are beautiful!! I am a bit shocked at the Maverick, being Ford's "tiny" truck sitting so low on the list.

[–] Trippin@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I'm just loving the fact a fucking tank has better visibility then a few of those trucks

[–] neutronicturtle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's an error. It's should likely be Nissan Quashqai. Or Hyundai ix35/Tucson.

[–] Chreutz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure that's a Nissan Quashqai.

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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

>meters

Ya lost all Americans.

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[–] wren@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

I love the inclusion of the M1 battle tank

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 136 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But if I don't have a truck the size of a locomotive how will people know that I absolutely do not have a micropenis?

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not Redditors when they get to body shame people they disagree with.

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[–] Metaright@kbin.social 98 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Regulate the market? What are you, some kind of communist?

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Meanwhile, builds the largest highway network in the world, many even in cities; maintain shitload of free parking; also enforces minimum parking requirements, all at the expense of tax payer.

People without cars are literally forced to pay to make everyone's life worse.

FREEDOM!

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget the Freedom™ zoning laws that make sure it's illegal for any American to build any filthy communist multi-family homes on their own private property! It's communist to grant private citizens freedom and property rights!

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even when they can build stuff on their PRIVATELY OWNED TERRAIN, they damn better follow the rules and make their house look EXACTLY EQUAL to every other house on the street. Now that's real red-blooded 'murican capitalism'n freedom, baby!

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[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ironically, trucks have gotten larger precisely because of regulation. In particular, emissions standards are tied to vehicle size. So if you make your vehicles bigger and bigger, you don't have to make them more efficient.

Also, regulation makes it difficult to import small Japanese kei trucks, and regulation is the biggest reason that the Ford F series truck is the single most popular model of vehicle in the US. In particular, we've taxed foreign-built trucks at 25% since the mid 60s, so there's dramatically fewer models of truck than SUV or cars.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

> In particular, emissions standards are tied to vehicle size

this definitely goes on the short list of "most idiotic laws ever", courtesy of your local car industry lobbyist

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we need to give the children SUVs so they can fight back

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I see those very tall vehicles as high chairs for the big baby behind the wheel.

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[–] DaveFuckinMorgan@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have no idea why F-150's keep getting bigger. Do people really like that shit? Old trucks are so much better, from design to MPG.

[–] justhach@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It has to do with new standards for fuel effiency being based on the size of the vehicle.

> In the Obama era, Edmunds explained, fuel economy regulations “changed from just a straight average across the board to what’s called a platform-based fuel economy standard. So your fuel economy target for a given vehicle is based on its wheelbase and its tread width, which is the width between the tires left to right. So if you multiply that you find the area of that rectangle and there’s a table that shows what your fuel-economy target is. The bigger the vehicle, the smaller the target.”

> In other words, the regulations put in place to get better mileage out of vehicles also led to an increase in truck size. “There was kind of an incentive to maybe stretch the wheelbase a couple of inches and set the tires maybe an inch [farther] apart, because you get a bigger platform and slightly smaller target,” said Edmunds. “Now, the bigger vehicle would be heavier and might use more fuel, so it’s not as easy as just doing that. But certainly there was a feeling that if they did need to make it bigger to accommodate more passengers, the fuel economy target wouldn’t be onerous. They could do it.”

Basically, it was easier to make bigger trucks than it was to build more efficient engines, so we have this gargantuan trucks pushed on us and then they go "ITS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT" because there are literally no other options besides these giant trucks if you want something with a bed.

Like, even the "small trucks" like the modern Rangers and Colorados are about the same size as the 90s F150s and Silverados. Its nuts.

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[–] Jarmer 22 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I think there's a huge percentage of truck drivers who never use their truck for truck stuff. It's simply a status symbol to them which is pathetic. And bigger equals better in their feeble minds.

I have a 13 yr old Tacoma and it's tiny compared to even the modern "small" trucks. When this thing finally dies, I have no idea what I'll get. I love the size of it though. Maybe a Ford Maverick, but those are on backorder for years I heard from several friends who tried to get one.

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I recently got hit by a truck on my bike. I'm not sure if it's because I wasn't visible or if it was a general douchebag.

In any event, you can generally tell how big a douchebag someone is by how large their truck is. Douchebags don't usually drive Datsuns.

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ugh. my sister at one point had one of those H3's and gushed about how safe it made her feel for her and her children. Yeah safer for you!

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[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Regulation? That's communism and we won't have any of that around here.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

This is actually how jaywalking became a crime

[–] Pandantic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I had a student lose their life like this, and I'm sure if the person wasn't driving such a big vehicle, they would have seen the student in time to stop.

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[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Yet it is the EPA regulations on emissions by vehicle wheelbase that have led manufacturers to continuously increase size rather than reduce emissions. Great job...

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[–] DanglingFury@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Relevant video by Not Just Bikes. The blind spot is just one small issue in a sea of issues

https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo

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[–] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Directly regulating the size isn't the only possibility though, huge cars are really rare in the EU even though there isn't anything prohibiting you from buying them. You just won't fit anywhere with one if you do :)

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[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bring back the station wagon 😭 I want a hybrid wagon, but the Volvo is is prices so no one can afford it lol... I really don't want to get the Chrysler van...

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[–] CheeseBread@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I recently moved to a state where there are so many giant vehicles, and I drive a compact car. The front of the hood of an f-150 is as tall as my entire car. I feel like I'm the closest to the ground out of all the cars on the highway. You see all these big trucks and SUVs having a hard time maneuvering in parking lots. Why do all these people need such giant vehicles? Gas is expensive enough in my little tiny car, is the worse mileage even worth it?

[–] ThickQuiveringTip@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

More and more of these are coming into Australia. They carry extremely small dick vibes. They are fucking annoying how much road space they take up. It's comical watching them drive around a car park. My friend bought a RAM and his personality changed with it in that he actually belittles our cars and kind of acts like we are weak?! He works as a corporate job and has absolutely no need for such a car apart from helping his inferiority complex. Now I can't help but dislike anyone who has one of these.

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[–] Xendarq@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I feel like there's some hidden message in here about gun control, but gosh darn it I just can't see it over the hood of my F150.

[–] BackBreaker909@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One thing that always strikes me is once you* notice how many giant ass vehicles are on the road...you can't unnotice it lol.

[–] Cianalas@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's because EPA under Obama changed emissions regulations from average across vehicles sold to tables by wheelbase (in order to try and tighten mpg on larger vehicles instead of sedans just getting better to average it out). So now, as MPG requirements go up, they just build bigger cars to bump into the next size instead of hitting MPG targets for the current size. This is also partly why there's few sedan models and everyone has just moved to crossovers.

Every potential regulation/deregulation has unintended consequences that should be explored to figure out if the consequences may be worse than current. Instead everyone just does it by throwing darts and assuming everyone will just go along with the intent. When that doesn't work, they go about blaming the other side for loopholes before repeating the process to try and close those loopholes up.

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