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The 37-year-old biotech entrepreneur turned Republican presidential candidate has been steadily garnering support in a party dominated by conservative Christians. In many polls, he’s in third place behind former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and he is one of six candidates who have qualified for the first GOP presidential debate on Aug. 23.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't trust anyone who puts their faith front and center.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t trust any entrepreneur. I also don’t trust any Republican. I also, also don’t trust anyone who believes in a God or Gods.

…guess I’m not voting for him (or anyone else)

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why don't you trust entrepreneurs?

I also, also don’t trust anyone who believes in a God or Gods.

Weird, just because someone has different beliefs than you?

You should expand your social circle, it sucks having so much hate towards people because they think differently than you.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t trust entrepreneurs because capitalism, in my opinion, is pure greed. Taking more than you need.

I don’t trust people who believe in God because putting your faith in an imaginary friend in the sky is the most out of touch concept ever. There is nothing out there to save you. Be good or bad, because its the way you feel, not because the cloud man will approve or disapprove.

I wouldn’t call my feelings hate, just a lack of apathy. People are free to have the same or differing opinions from my own. They don’t need to respect my beliefs and I don’t need to respect theirs.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t trust entrepreneurs because capitalism, in my opinion, is pure greed.

Have you ever went to a local breakfast restaurant?

Taking more than you need.

Do you take more than you need?

I don’t trust people who believe in God because putting your faith in an imaginary friend in the sky is the most out of touch concept ever.

Most out of touch concept that almost every society in history has believed in? God takes different avenues in everyones lives, if we sat down, had some tea and discussed, I'm sure I could find where you put God in your life.

There is nothing out there to save you.

I've been saved by something out there, so I disagree. I think you knowing that nothing is out there is more absurd than someone believing there might be.

Be good or bad, because its the way you feel, not because the cloud man will approve or disapprove.

You abide by many christian morals, so what's 'good' v 'bad' is affecting by the God you hate so much.

People are free to have the same or differing opinions from my own. They don’t need to respect my beliefs and I don’t need to respect theirs.

I agree, but the difference is I don't think less of people trying to start businesses, or people with different beliefs than me.

[–] 108@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to point out a lot of the morals were in place before christianity arrived.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Western society has been morally shaped overwhelmingly, for better or for worse, by Christianity of at least the last 1500 years.

Do you dispute that?

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do you keep using the word ‘hate’ so much? If I distrust someone because the thing they believe is not rooted in reality, you label it as hate.

In facts I would say that your disdain and vigor to label someone with ‘hate’ is pointing to your own hate towards others.

And the fact that humans have felt a need to create religion upon religion is perhaps because of the lack of understanding the world and nature around them. Fear of death is a huge driver to create an afterlife and death affects all of mankind, so it is logical to see it create religion on all levels over the planet.

I find your attitude towards people who air their opinion rather toxic tbh.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The individual said he doesn't trust anyone who believes in God. His statements later about God made it apparent he hates him.

I think it's telling that you defend someone who hates others for having a different beliefs than them, but you rant at me because I call him out on it.

[–] argues_semantics@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He doesn’t hate your god. He just doesn’t give a shit about him. Truthfully, agnostics/atheists are hardly thinking about god ever, if at all.

People are free to believe in what they want to believe in. Religion and spirituality, after all, is just our way of understanding ourselves. The problem is when people choose to impose their religion on others. In politics, this exists in the form of policy-making based on your religious doctrine.

You mentioned morality is based on Christianity but that isn’t true at all. There are some obvious moral truths that have existed time immemorial — don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t cheat. There’s plenty of examples in history to the contrary, but even more to support these shared values across all cultures.

At the end of the day, people really just want to be treated kindly. So, they should give kindness in the way they would like it themselves.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

>He just doesn’t give a shit about him.

Weird, because he went out of his way to bring in God into the conversation and said anyone that believes in him he doesn't trust.

[–] argues_semantics@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it really going out of your way when that’s the topic of this post, theism in politics?

It doesn’t belong. That I agree with. Being against entrepreneurship is a bit of a hot take though.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

>Is it really going out of your way when that’s the topic of this post, theism in politics?

Saying you don't trust anyone that believes in a God, yeah, it is going out of your way.

>Being against entrepreneurship is a bit of a hot take though.

Incredibly stupid and indefensible, you mean.

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

The whole point of an election is selecting people based on their beliefs.

[–] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I don't care. Keep your damned religion (any of them) out of government.

[–] MicroWave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“From a Hindu perspective, every person has a fundamental right to make a choice about how they want to access health care,” she said. "(Ramaswamy) saying unborn life is life, what does that mean policy-wise? It’s also worrying to see a Hindu feed into LGBTQ hate because Hinduism has a rich history when it comes to queerness.”

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

He's not feeding into hate, he just doesn't think that it needs to be taught in schools.

I don't think the history of soccer needs to be taught in schools, doesn't mean I'm feeding into some sort of soccer hate.

[–] style99@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

All you really need to know:

> > > He became a regular commentator on Fox News and other conservative outlets, backing capitalism and meritocracy, and criticizing affirmative action, mask mandates and open borders. He is anti-abortion and believes gender dysphoria should be treated as a mental illness. > >

He's basically a Nazi.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


He became a regular commentator on Fox News and other conservative outlets, backing capitalism and meritocracy, and criticizing affirmative action, mask mandates and open borders.

The child of immigrants from southern India, Ramaswamy grew up in Cincinnati speaking Tamil at home with his religious parents who performed pujas — a form of worship rituals.

He cemented his anti-abortion stance while attending St. Xavier Catholic High School in Cincinnati, and learned a strong “Protestant work ethic” from his piano teacher of 10 years.

His approach is drawing support from influential Christian leaders, including Bob Vander Plaats, who had a front-row seat for Ramaswamy’s recent campaign visit to Iowa.

While Ramaswamy’s faith may not be ideal for some Christian voters, it comes down to making the best choice available, said Vander Plaats, president of a conservative group, The Family Leader.

Ria Chakrabarty, policy director of Hindus for Human Rights, said she is concerned by Ramaswamy’s attempt to “package Hinduism in the family values mold, talking about it as a monotheistic religion to appeal to the Abrahamic faiths.”


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[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This article doesn't really lay out how it's 'front and center' - he's mentioned he's a man of faith and that most of our values in the west are due to our Christian history, which is true.

I've watched many interviews with him, I'm pretty interested in his campaign, but never has his Hindu faith been a big talking point.

“I was raised in a belief system where there is one true God who empowers each of us with our own capacities,” he said. “As we say in the Hindu tradition, God resides in each one of us. In the Christian tradition, you say we’re all made in the image of God.”

He's being asked about his faith in interviews and says they aren't too different from Christian values.

This story just seems like nothing.