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The 37-year-old biotech entrepreneur turned Republican presidential candidate has been steadily garnering support in a party dominated by conservative Christians. In many polls, he’s in third place behind former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, and he is one of six candidates who have qualified for the first GOP presidential debate on Aug. 23.

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t trust entrepreneurs because capitalism, in my opinion, is pure greed. Taking more than you need.

I don’t trust people who believe in God because putting your faith in an imaginary friend in the sky is the most out of touch concept ever. There is nothing out there to save you. Be good or bad, because its the way you feel, not because the cloud man will approve or disapprove.

I wouldn’t call my feelings hate, just a lack of apathy. People are free to have the same or differing opinions from my own. They don’t need to respect my beliefs and I don’t need to respect theirs.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t trust entrepreneurs because capitalism, in my opinion, is pure greed.

Have you ever went to a local breakfast restaurant?

Taking more than you need.

Do you take more than you need?

I don’t trust people who believe in God because putting your faith in an imaginary friend in the sky is the most out of touch concept ever.

Most out of touch concept that almost every society in history has believed in? God takes different avenues in everyones lives, if we sat down, had some tea and discussed, I'm sure I could find where you put God in your life.

There is nothing out there to save you.

I've been saved by something out there, so I disagree. I think you knowing that nothing is out there is more absurd than someone believing there might be.

Be good or bad, because its the way you feel, not because the cloud man will approve or disapprove.

You abide by many christian morals, so what's 'good' v 'bad' is affecting by the God you hate so much.

People are free to have the same or differing opinions from my own. They don’t need to respect my beliefs and I don’t need to respect theirs.

I agree, but the difference is I don't think less of people trying to start businesses, or people with different beliefs than me.

[–] 108@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to point out a lot of the morals were in place before christianity arrived.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Western society has been morally shaped overwhelmingly, for better or for worse, by Christianity of at least the last 1500 years.

Do you dispute that?

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do you keep using the word ‘hate’ so much? If I distrust someone because the thing they believe is not rooted in reality, you label it as hate.

In facts I would say that your disdain and vigor to label someone with ‘hate’ is pointing to your own hate towards others.

And the fact that humans have felt a need to create religion upon religion is perhaps because of the lack of understanding the world and nature around them. Fear of death is a huge driver to create an afterlife and death affects all of mankind, so it is logical to see it create religion on all levels over the planet.

I find your attitude towards people who air their opinion rather toxic tbh.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The individual said he doesn't trust anyone who believes in God. His statements later about God made it apparent he hates him.

I think it's telling that you defend someone who hates others for having a different beliefs than them, but you rant at me because I call him out on it.

[–] argues_semantics@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He doesn’t hate your god. He just doesn’t give a shit about him. Truthfully, agnostics/atheists are hardly thinking about god ever, if at all.

People are free to believe in what they want to believe in. Religion and spirituality, after all, is just our way of understanding ourselves. The problem is when people choose to impose their religion on others. In politics, this exists in the form of policy-making based on your religious doctrine.

You mentioned morality is based on Christianity but that isn’t true at all. There are some obvious moral truths that have existed time immemorial — don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t cheat. There’s plenty of examples in history to the contrary, but even more to support these shared values across all cultures.

At the end of the day, people really just want to be treated kindly. So, they should give kindness in the way they would like it themselves.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

>He just doesn’t give a shit about him.

Weird, because he went out of his way to bring in God into the conversation and said anyone that believes in him he doesn't trust.

[–] argues_semantics@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it really going out of your way when that’s the topic of this post, theism in politics?

It doesn’t belong. That I agree with. Being against entrepreneurship is a bit of a hot take though.

[–] MasterObee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

>Is it really going out of your way when that’s the topic of this post, theism in politics?

Saying you don't trust anyone that believes in a God, yeah, it is going out of your way.

>Being against entrepreneurship is a bit of a hot take though.

Incredibly stupid and indefensible, you mean.