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I recently moved to California. Before i moved, people asked me "why are you moving there, its so bad?". Now that I'm here, i understand it less. The state is beautiful. There is so much to do.

I know the cost of living is high, and people think the gun control laws are ridiculous (I actually think they are reasonable, for the most part). There is a guy I work with here that says "the policies are dumb" but can't give me a solid answer on what is so bad about it.

So, what is it that California does (policy-wise) that people hate so much?

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[–] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I think one reason is the news portrayal like others mentioned—though this often goes two-ways—ask a native Californian what they think the South or Midwest are like and you’ll often get some crazy off base responses.

I think another big piece is that CA policies have a disproportionately large impact on everyone else’s policies (they share this characteristic with NY to some extent). CA has the 3rd largest economy in the world and therefore companies often have to adhere to CA policies in order to keep from losing an extremely significant market share. For example, CA committing to no more gas cars by X date immediately made gas vehicles an obsolete product for the manufacturers’ bottom line.

[–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Well from my perspective it's not that people hate California it's that they hate the influx of Californians in their state. Tons of tech people moved from San Francisco to Austin and now it's near unrecognizable. Austin a long time ago used to be a small city with a lot of charm now it's the tenth largest city in the US. It's not just Californians moving their but they are the biggest group and they are pretty loud about where they come from.

Everything gets more expensive, they bring some of their failed policies with them, and there are a lot of weird ideas that come out of California. I don't mean your generic lefty policies that may upset some old timers in Texas but like the weird transhumanism shit that tech people are obsessed with. It feels like a cult, another thing California is known for, and it's basically the opposite vibe of what Austin used to be. I personally have met a lot of Californians I really like but it's not hard to see the culture clash. Also when I say California I really mean San Francisco and LA, not like Sacramento or the other parts of California. It's the tech people, the Hollywood people, and the groupies they aquire. They leave California due to costs and it's somewhat chaotic nature but then start to transform their new home into California.

If you've ever met old timers in Texas you know great don't like change. They talk about building an overpass as a sign of the apocalypse. So that's where I assume most of the hate comes from.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Austin has been a tech center since the 80s.

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[–] jabib@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

What part of CA did you move to? I moved here a few years ago and love it. The weather is great (depending on where you live of course - coast is always temperate) and I've traveled to most of the regions in the state and they all have something unique and amazing to offer.

The fact that I don't fear my personal rights getting stripped T the federal level as much is because California does so much in the way of protecting and bettering our lives here.

[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I can’t speak for the entire state, but I’ve visited San Francisco many times (never lived there). It was one of the dirtiest, most disgusting cities I’ve ever visited, and I’ve visited Mumbai. I would leave conferences after speaking to people worth hundreds of millions of dollars, to be greeted by a sea of homeless people shooting up drugs, vomiting, and shitting in the streets. I’ve witnessed multiple crimes in the short trips I’ve taken, including mugging, theft, and assault. I’ve no doubt the city once held cultural cache and beauty, but it’s hard to find now. It’s hidden under a layer of crime, trash, boarded up stores, and graffiti.

Sadly my trips to Los Angeles were not much better. I am told other Californian cities are much nicer. It’s just such a shame to see what they have allowed to happen to such once beautiful cities.

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[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I loved California. I just couldn't afford it anymore.

Also, their power grid has to be the only one worse than Texas. My power was ALWAYS going out there. Last time I visited my parents there, their power was out for 3 of the 7 days I was there.

[–] LibertyLizard 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Which provider did you have? I lose power way way less often than I did on the East Coast. I think a lot of it is specific to the power company.

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[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

I think California is an okay place, but there are several things that annoy me about it, and here are some:

The houseless problem seems extremely poorly managed. I lived in NYC for six years and have visited California a few times. From my experiences, both SF and LA appear to have much larger populations living outdoors (I checked and this is true, 75% of LA’s population vs 6% in NYC, and the cities are comparable in both population and houseless population). Additionally, I’ve had more issues interacting with houseless people in CA than in NYC despite having lived in Manhattan many times longer than I’ve spent in CA. My guess is this is due to worse services/mental health services in CA. I would frequently buy food or coffee for houseless individuals in NYC and never had an issue. I once gave a couple of dollars to someone CA for bus money. They yelled at me because they needed a couple more for the bus. Another time I was followed for several blocks.

California as a state and population seems to be at least as much bluster as action. I don’t want to detract from some real actions, like car electrification requirements, but for example, prop 65, the “known to the state of California to cause cancer” labels. A) California seems to “know” many things that science does not. B) no one pays any attention to these labels, but they sure cost a lot to produce C) if anything, this will cause people to ignore future warnings for real things or even current ones like on cigarettes.

As a longtime resident of Hawaii, this one just annoys me. California claimed it was the first state to plastic bags. This is false; As of May 11, 2014, they were banned across Hawaii. https://www.surfrider.org/news/hawaii-becomes-the-first-state-in-the-u.s.-to-ban-plastic-bags. This did not stop California from claiming the victory when a law was signed later that year that didn’t go into effect until July 2015. https://www.ca.gov/archive/gov39/2014/09/30/news18742/index.html. California doesn’t just not know what causes cancer, they don’t know how to use google despite it being from their state. I suppose you could argue semantically that Hawaii’s ban was not statewide, as it was technically four bans, one in each of the counties, but that’s splitting hairs.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

That sort of self-gratifying nonsense only works if the target is more successful than you.

Using it against a target that is less successful than you would be picking on people who can't defend themselves.

[–] Geostorm@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Instead of helping Britney Spears, guardianships increased without a fiduciary duty lawyer for "gravely disabled" or predicted to get worse. Homeless people need shelter, not chemical restraint.

[–] cow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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