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Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.
If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women's boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.
I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), "they tested for XY chromosomes." They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.
Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.
Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided "nope, that doesn't count" and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?
Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.
Obviously, these duel competitions should only be allowed between identical twins. Anything less is unfair and should be halted and shut down.
If testosterone is a PED and it doesn't matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it's a sexist attempt to police women's bodies.
Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn't.
Maybe we should just stop taking professional sports so seriously
People will always have genetically advantages, be it height, testosterone, bone density or a myriad of other factors. Trying to control all is impossible, and no matter what limits you set, you'll unfairly exclude some people
No basketball player should be above 5.5 feet tall. There should be a hard limit on height. But only in women's basketball.
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
I'm without any doubt "genetically inferior" when compared to Usain Bolt: even if I started training when I was 3 years old, I couldn't even imagine to get nowhere near his level because nature decided to screw up my knees while he was born a fucking sprinting machine.
Sorry darling, suck it up and take the L or change sport.
Jesus, help us. These people's reading comprehension is below acceptable.
That plus the fact that everyone entered this thread with an opinion that is limited to one aspect of the matter, which is fine by the way until you try to derail the conversation towards that specific opinion so that you can pull it out totally out of context like a priest's cock
I'm just waiting for demands for the 4k vagina video so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not she's a real woman with a real vagina.
She got her ass handed over to her and turned instantly into a crybaby. No one in that ring was trans. Get over it or don't sign up for boxing
Boxing in general is stupid as hell. I feel empathy for both parties here.
Edit: I fee really bad for Imane. She is getting dragged by conservative media, and it's absolute bullshit.
I only meant to say I feel empathy that the Italian woman got her ass handed to her and had to give up so quickly. That's it. That's nothing compared to what Imane is going through.
What’s the problem with boxing?
Are you talking about the sport itself, or all the BS that goes on around it?
I'm just not into the violence of it. I'm also a hypocrite who still watches football, so don't mind me.
if you actually read and watched the statements from the IOC you would know that khelif was not disqualified by the IBA for having high testosterone (they never did a testosterone test) and instead decided to disqualify her first and then look for a reason and accused her of having XY chromosomes, which I personally don't believe.
https://youtu.be/https://youtube.com/live/QxeIRI2Qcag?t=1912
https://olympics.com/ioc/news/joint-paris-2024-boxing-unit-ioc-statement
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/olympics/boxer-quits-gender-angela-carini-imane-khelif.html
IMO there should be two categories:
Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn't to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.
but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male.
We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.
I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very "masculine" features for a woman.
It’s irrelevant whether she knew or not. Once it is known, she needs to be moved to a different league/class.