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What does your sleep paralysis demon ask you?

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[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 26 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Yes. Markup-Languages are a subset of Programming-Languages. Turing completness doesn’t matter as things like magic the gathering and habbo hotel are Turing complete

[–] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I am markdown and latex programmer.

Idk it just feels wrong.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If you can write a moderately complex math equation in tex on the first try, you’re a programmer in my book.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

idk css feels just as frustrating

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

So Habbo Hotel is a programming language.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like programming language produces programs, and makeup languages formatted documents.

I wouldn't consider a formatted document to be a program, so I don't consider a markup language to be a programming language.

Doesn't make it less valuable, though

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ACKSHUALLY ... markup languages do not produce a formatted document. They define semantic elements of the document. The formatting is done by the compiler (whatever it is in the individual context) based on styles defined by a styling language.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

That's true! Although many people use makeup to do styling using the default styles... Which is... Not great.

But regardless I think my point still holds, it's not providing instructions for a machine, it's the data the instructions act on. But the difference between data and instructions is a blurry one

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

'This markup language isn't even as capable as Habbo Hotel, but it counts anyway because I just called it a programming language.'

There is a literal hierarchy of syntaxes which are recognized by different categories of machine. Programs require a Turing machine. Anything lesser - in a subset like pushdown automata or finite-state machines - doesn't need a proper computer. So it's not a program.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a markup language, not a programming language.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Taco according to the cube rule

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago
[–] TheUnicornOfPerfidy@feddit.uk 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why does a demon need a moustache?

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] pewpew@feddit.it 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] muhyb@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

So, if he shaves, would that makes him neutral? Good?

[–] TheUnicornOfPerfidy@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

I mean that's what it asks me 😆

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Does HTML or LaTeX or Markdown provide a computer instructions which are executed? I'm going to take the unpopular opinion and say they are programming languages.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can't write a program in HTML.

End of discussion.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

programing languages arent use to make programs they are used to program machines which is exactly what u do with html.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

The "program" is the package of instructions that tell the machine what to do. The instructions are written in a programming language.

With a markup language, the markup is the input to a program (like a browser) that tells the machine what to do.

But I think it's not really boolean, it's a sliding scale. Especially with so many programming languages being interpreted or JIT compiled. I think it's less a programming language than many other programming-related things, but more of a programming language than, say, a slideshow.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

they are used to program machines

Which HTML cannot do, because if it could, that would be called a program. That's what the word means.

HTML makes documents. It's a markup language. It's not even Turing-complete accidentally.

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[–] Jimbabwe@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Is fondant a cake?

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Is Linux a operating system?

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Hyper Text Markup Language

A. Yes it's a language.

B. People who write HTML have been called Programmers for decades.

C. Are you writing in a kind of pseudo code that the computer is going to transform into another form? Yes.

I think the problem here isn't that HTML isn't a programming language. The problem is that we don't further classify programming languages.

There should be Platform Languages and Client languages.

HTML is most definitely a Client Language.

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