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[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago (37 children)

I've kept chickens. They do not understand the family concept. Roosters will happily rape their siblings or their mothers, and hens will enforce a gruelling pecking order even if it means someone dies of hunger/beatings 😒

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wonder if they would do the same free in the nature. Locked together in tight spaces and restricted freedom will change the behaviour of every creature.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is the default behaviour for chickens. I can't think of any chicken like creatures that exists in the wild that resembles. The chickens I kept had plenty of room both inside and outside. Outside was a predator proof fence around a large area with different kinds of vegetation, bushes and wet and dry environments (I also had a couple of mallards). Inside they had running water, things to climb on to roost, and various boxes to lay and sleep in. Every week I cleaned their living quarters and threw down fresh bedding. They were not for food or for egg production. I ate and gave away the eggs they laid.

Edit: to keep the roosters from doing the dirty with close relatives, I swapped rooster with other people that kept poultry as a hobby

[–] DigitalWanderer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yea i do the same with mine, they roam free in the garden during the day and have a protected outdoor and indoor area so its basically a large playground for them and still the behavior you mentioned is what i see as well. also chickens in the wild? the measures i had to take to keep my chickens safe from foxes, martens, cats, dogs... is just crazy, they have zero defense capabilities so i dont know how they survived ubtill we kept them as livestock

[–] Slowy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Chickens originated from the red jungle fowl which is a much leaner and flighted bird (as are certain breeds of chicken) We’ve made modern chickens into something that can’t survive in the wild, much like we turned wolves into pugs!

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[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This all reminds me I miss having chickens and ducks. One of the bad sides living in a big city for work, I guess

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[–] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago

Chickens are a truly enlightened people

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oh look an anti-vegan circlejerk.

Do the "how do you know someone's vegan? They'll tell you" joke next. I promise it doesn't come off as insecure.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 38 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Those lame jokes make me wanna mention the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.

[–] collinrs@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Free Space really should be "Where do you get your protein?"

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this!

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[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

How do you know someone hates vegans? They'll tell you.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Oh look, you just told everyone what you eat. Joke's on you.

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[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I saw my 67 year old aunt post this on Facebook.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

Boomer cringe

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hahhahaha PETA bad amiright?? Updoots to the left!!

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Smirk@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Copied from an old reddit post.

This is why people hate PETA.

Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.

Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:

Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. That's just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and "news articles" as well, so it's not always very obvious.

They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that's why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:

PETA and their kill-shelters:

PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can't adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more "hopeless" animals. See more here.

The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn't steal and murder pets):

A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer's cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn't wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That's why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html

The monkey selfie:

The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it's an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.

PETA equating milk to racism:

White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over "inferior" (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That's the reason behind their campaign on the issue.

Final thoughts (I promise):

PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.

Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I'm not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.

Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It's basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy's, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn't that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA's shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into "PETA is stealing people's pets off the streets" and Reddit gobbles it up.

The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, "PETA blasts child's bunny wedding!" But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the "journalist" reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, "we don't support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them." And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn't get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.

For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm getting the feeling all that shit people say about them is a smear campaign.

[–] Smirk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Copied from an old reddit post.

This is why people hate PETA.

Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.

Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:

Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. That's just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and "news articles" as well, so it's not always very obvious.

They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that's why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:

PETA and their kill-shelters:

PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can't adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more "hopeless" animals. See more here.

The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn't steal and murder pets):

A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer's cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn't wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That's why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html

The monkey selfie:

The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it's an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.

PETA equating milk to racism:

White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over "inferior" (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That's the reason behind their campaign on the issue.

Final thoughts (I promise):

PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.

Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I'm not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.

Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It's basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy's, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn't that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA's shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into "PETA is stealing people's pets off the streets" and Reddit gobbles it up.

The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, "PETA blasts child's bunny wedding!" But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the "journalist" reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, "we don't support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them." And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn't get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.

For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just research Ingrid Newkirk.

Ingrid is not a reasonable human being.

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

This is like the rolling coal of meat eating. I hoped we were better than this

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Who's we? Don't associate with anyone

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Haha don't be silly - most of the chicken's family went into the chicken shredder to be turned into feed.

[–] BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean I'm just saying, banning meat lobby shilling and boomer tier animal abuse memes is morally good. Would be pretty based mod. Idk. They can get shit on in the thread for sure but I wouldn't mind not seeing the brain rot πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, screw this kind of stuff.

Most people on here will know vegetarians or in some cases be one. It's a respectable choice that takes a lot of willpower and energy. People who make fun of that aren't my crowd. Mostly because it's a dick thing to do.

[–] gens@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (21 children)

As one who does not care if the food i eat has meat in it, maybe i can clarify why people react like this. It's simple: you make me feel like i'm some sort of a heartless, evil person for eating meat, i will make you feel bad as well. Eating chicken is murder ? We humans are omnivores, we eat anything. Meat is less efficient land wise, but is more efficient to digest. Morals have nothing to do with it, as we have long evolved to be that way.

If you want people to eat more plants; my advice is to make it a better option. I often make myself a 100% plant pasta sauce, but that takes 3x longer to do and doesn't cost much less then just grilling a piece of meat and cutting a tomato or two. Make cheap tasty vegetarian fast food stalls, cheap mini markets, etc. Calling people murderers will make some of them hate you.

PS I have a vegetarian friend, for over a decade i didn't know he was. Respect his decision, has nothing to do with me.

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[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yes, let's start censoring people based on morality. That has never ever gone wrong.

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[–] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

KFC's newest disclaimer: Family Bucket does not mean the entire family of chickens are in the same bucket.

[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oyakodonburi

Oya = parent Ko = child Donburi = on rice

Chicken and egg on rice

[–] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the food that sounds cute but has deep dark meaning: kill the parents and eat the unborn children.

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They grew up thinking they’ll graduate, get a job, raise up a few chicks

[–] karbonkel@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

fOr eVeRy aNiMaL YoU DoN'T EaT, i'lL EaT TwO

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[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why is memes a back and forth of vegan vs anti vegan. Make your own damn communities. So damn tiresome to see the same comment thread every day in a different post.

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