How does this happen? Like people on the forum get into some argument about the turn radius of some tank and how they shouldn’t have lost a game, and then it escalates until someone posts the tank specs so they can be right on the internet?
this post was submitted on 13 Jul 2024
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Yes. This is apparently so much of a problem that US and other nations include this in security training for military personnel and contractors. They literally teach you not to get in arguments online about weapons capabilities and whatnot because they know people are dumb enough to post classified info just so they can be like "ackshually..." on an internet forum.
From what I’ve seen it’s usually that Gaijin have something wrong about the vehicle and so people leak actual classified information because they want it to be corrected.
MilSim people can be an odd bunch sometimes
And the devs are like "Are you fucking dumb? We won't use classified info in our game."
Well if it’s something like a turn radius, they can always claim that they just guessed right.
Are they under any obligation to protect the classified information if they're not the ones who leaked it?
Knowingly owning or using classified info without proper clearance is, in fact, a crime.
That’s a large part of what Trump’s classified document raid was for. Former presidents usually have a lot of classified stuff to turn over after leaving office. It’s standard practice, (and perfectly legal) to simply send it back (via the proper channels) as soon as you discover you have it. But if you conceal it and refuse to return it (like Trump did) then that’ll land you in some hot water.
It's my understanding that you're only required to protect the information if you've actually agreed to do so, which is obviously a retirement for being given access. Elected officials are a weird area where they have a much easier time getting clearance, but they've still made agreements to protect the information.
Trump was authorized to handle classified information in the first place, which is why his mishandling was a problem. I haven't read the actual law, but I'm pretty sure ordinary people who happen across classified information have no duty at all in any direction. If you can show me an example of a random person getting in trouble for sharing classified information that they didn't steal or get others to steal, well, let me know.
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AFAIK it's part of being given some clearance. In most Western countries it's fine to republish already leaked material as a private citizen. How would the media do it otherwise?
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No. You can publish it if you like. This is how journalists work. You cannot get someone to commit a crime towards getting classified documents (Assange tried to teach people to hack shit and pled guilty to this). But accepting them and publishing them is fine and good.
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Unless...
Yea, I had a friend who spent his free time coding how different tarmac temperatures affect the wheels of a fighter plane in a flight sim. (DCS I think)
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One time it was a Chinese player pissed that their tank ammo wasn’t as strong as it should be so they posted it for the devs to buff
It's sometimes this, and it's sometimes Gaijin just claiming something is classified for whatever reason.
Sometimes, a British tank crewman posts technical specs from their manual for the Challenger 2. Sometimes, Gaijin claims that a declassified, internationally available manual for a Cold War era plane is classified. Or the Wikipedia article on a WW2 tank.
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Thank you! You post quality stuff.
Asked me to disable my adblocker, but I'm just runnng vanadium lol
Vanadium has had basic adblocking for about 5 months.
https://github.com/GrapheneOS/Vanadium/releases/tag/122.0.6261.43.1
It's also one of those websites that begs you to let it send notifications the moment it loads, and has the ads that follow you and stick to your screen while you scroll.
That said though, I had no issues with Firefox on android + uBlock origin
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"This marks one of three leaks that have happened in the past week, though not all of them are directly tied to War Thunder. The first related to the release of documents on the Challenger British main battle tanks on the game’s forum, though that information was confirmed to be publically [sic] available from Britain’s National Archive."
Why would you call "leak" the disclosure of publicly available information?
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Whats it this time?
The leak happened earlier this week during a forum discussion regarding the T-90M, T-80BVM, and T-90S Russian main battle tanks, all of which are currently in service and appear in War Thunder itself. The documents shared are user manuals meant for those operating said vehicles and have, like most other military documents, been declared classified or sensitive even though they contain relatively surface-level information.
For fucking once it's not idiots leaking western stuff. I'm like halfway convinced War Thunder is a Russian intelligence operation
tbf, if I ran an intel agency, after all these incidents, Id probably have someone "leak" fake classified docs on the warthunder forums or other similar places once in a blue moon, to spread misleading information to rival agencies as to the capabilities of my nation's equipment. Both to blend in with a place idiots are known to actually post such info, and if its found out my agency was doing this, to cast doubt on the validity of any real docs from my side that were leaked before. Doesnt seem like itd cost much of anything to do, so there would have to be only minimal benefit to be marginally worth it
There have been two leaks about Chinese tanks and two about Russian jets even before this one, so while it's mostly Western gear it's not only that
Oh yeah I know there's been other leaks before, just that most of the time it seems like it's western gear and it's a refreshing change
Not even the stupidest Take. Gijin is a Hungarian game studio and Hungarian Govt is more or less pro Russian.
And it was founded in Moscow by Russians, they only moved the HQ to Budapest later on
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it's just morons trying to prove something. people don't join the army because they're too happy with who they are.
Hope it helps Ukraine lol
Ukrainian farmer: "How do I put this hunk of junk into Neutral so I can load it onto my trailer?" *starts an argument on War Thunder forums*
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Honestly these guys are both the smartest and stupidest folks imaginable at the same time - I'm just glad it's the Russians they're screwing over this time haha
If they were smart, they wouldn't be playing Warthunder in 2024, tho
Ah yes, they must be playing that other historically accurate plane combat game whose name I totally forgot because it actually doesn't exist and War Thunder is the only option.
I think their point is that people that play "historically accurate plane combat game" 's are stupid.
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There was a Ukrainian Bradley fighting vehicle gunner who took down a Russian main battle tank with the anti-personnel machine gun, and thanked his time playing war thunder for knowing where to hit it when he had no anti-armour and no armour piercing ammo
He took out its optics and turret control
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The autism of tank nerds never ceases to astound me.
Next gen optics on modern MBT catch the whole spectrum
Seriously now, how many times has this happened?
They just needs to write alien spaceships and then we'd find out about what's really in area 51 within about a week.
How’s that place not just a den of glowies by now? Bet you can see it from fucking space
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How WarThunder was funded:
CIA guy: "So y'know how Wikipedia became a trustworthy source of obscure information just by weaponizing pedantry?"
NSA guy: "I'm listening."
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