Two-Thirds of Americans Want Biden to Drop Out : usa

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget to mention that 50% of the people from the same poll also think Trump should drop out.

I would be interested in seeing a more detailed break-down of this poll. From the numbers given, 33% are non-Democrats. This could mean that up to half of that "67% of Americans" saying Biden should drop out are actually people whose opinion in this poll doesn't really matter. What I really want to see is how many Democrats think Biden should drop out, versus how many Republicans think Trump should drop out. (It would also be interesting to see the breakdown for both candidates from independents.)

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

From the article:

This includes 62 percent of self-described Democrats or Democratic-leaning voters. Even 54 percent of people who call themselves Biden supporters think he should no longer be the party’s nominee.

I didn't see a description of the methodology, so I don't know if this represents the general public, or if they have flaws in the methodology. But it does seem to specifically separate Democrats and Biden supporters from the total.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

Ah I think I missed that bit, or maybe I read it differently and missed the meaning. Anyway thanks for pointing it out.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Because this story is blanketing every corner of the internet, I'm going to start posting the following in case anyone's interested in what Biden's actually accomplished outside of the last few weeks. For science.

Politico | 30 Things Joe Biden Did as President You Might Have Missed - 02/02/2024

The Whitehouse | The Biden-Harris Record

Bloomberg | What Has Biden Accomplished? Look at These 10 Metrics, Not the Polls - 03/07/24

Joe Biden | The Biden-Harris Administration’s Historic Accomplishments

Factcheck | Biden’s Numbers, January 2024 Update - 01/25/24

Newsweek | Joe Biden's 7 Biggest Achievements During His First Year as President - 01/20/22

Washington Monthly | Introduction: Who Got More Done? - 04/07/24
Washington Monthly | Trump vs. Biden: Who Got More Done for Families and Workers? - 04/07/24

Politifact | Latest Fact-Checks Of Joe Biden
Politifact | Latest Fact-Checks Of Donald Trump

Politifact | Biden Promise Tracker
Politifact | Trump-O-Meter

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago

The last few weeks isn't what concerns me. The next 4 years are what concerns me.

He reminds me of my grandparents about 4 years before their respective deaths.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

politifact lmao

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump has nothing to do with whether or not Biden should lead

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 0 points 3 months ago

But he does have a whole hell of a lot to do with whether or not Trump should lead and in a two party system you have to take that into consideration. I'm in a place where at this current moment our entire focus needs to be on not allowing Donald Trump to become president. The Democrats as a whole have severely fucked up. Biden shouldn't have run again. Some democrats who weren't Joe Biden should have primaried against him. The Democrats need to start trying to appeal more to rural voters, possibly by offering tax rebates for things like gas tax to farmers (and I'm not in favor of propping up petroleum products, I'm just also not in favor of punishing people who's livelihoods depend on gas and diesel instead of the REAL polluters like Shell Oil, British Petroleum, and Garmin). They need to start realizing by playing compromise games with the republicans they're just capitulating and letting the republicans slowly implement fascism, which has been their goal since the late 1960s. Also we as voters need to stop being cicadas, being loud and noticeable in cycles. We need to spend the next four years organizing ourselves and breaking the system.

There are two parties in America. There's the fascists, and the fascist collaborators. In the time between now and election day our best bet is probably the fascist collaborators. But goddamn, let's make 2025 local elections different. Let's show them that we are many and they are few in 2026 for Congress, and in 2028, let's finally get a real difference maker into the white house with a political environment that allows them to do the things they want to do. I'm tired of having a split legislative and executive branch because progressives don't show up for midterms

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

can we get a candidate that doesn't do genocide

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Name one candidate that doesn't support Israel?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jill Stein, who Zionists predictably label a “self-hating Jew.”

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If we could get some kind of ranked-choice voting in place then a 3rd-party candidate would have a legitimate chance here. Unfortunately there's too much FUD about RCV making your vote "not count". I'm in Colorado and it looks like we have a real chance of implementing something in the next few years, so I'm crossing my fingers...

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago

JESUS CHRIST that shit frustrates me so much. First past the post is the very best way to make sure no ones votes count. There are way better systems than ranked choice voting, but if we can't even get that much done, of course were not going to ask for those. All we are asking is to move off the very worst voting system there is

[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago

Head for the extreme northwest and northeast corners of the country; Alaska and Maine both use RCV, including for presidential elections. It's not 50 states of RCV but it's a start!

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bush and Reagan were able to successfully pressure Israel despite both supporting the occupation.

Biden is a lifelong Zionist ideologue.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been putting some pressure on them as well, although it's still too little. Maybe if he wins we'll see him make real policy changes, but yeah it's not very likely.

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Beyond words that are "leaked" to the press, what exact pressure has Biden put on Israel?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Chase Oliver, and he's probably on the ballot in your state already.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Our primary didn't include any presidential candidates for some reason, so I'll have to wait until November to see.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, the Libertarian Party (Chase Oliver's party) doesn't run a primary, it runs a national caucus. He was selected as the nominee by delegates, and if you felt so inclined, you could help choose your local delegates (or become one yourself).

Jill Stein also seems to be in favor of peace in Gaza, so she's an option as well, though she likely has less ballot access (we'll see come November).

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

I'm not certain, but I think I've seen Stein on the ballot before. We usually have a pretty good list of all parties on the November ballots.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Cornel West checks this box and is running in November!

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

2/3rds of the select people they polled, which incude jimmy down the hall and 2 other random people.

Why do we give stupid shit like this airspace?

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org -1 points 3 months ago

Did these polls ask if they wanted Trump to drop out? Because I'm pretty sure most of us want that, too.

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