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META: Let's remove the "NATO" stain from the fedi canvas! - Extend the pride flag! - Say "NO!" to imperialism! (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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It’s preposterous that the flag of the most destructive proponent of western (mostly US) hegemony and imperialism is placed right there beside a pride flag with a peace sign!

Let’s use out combined power to stamp out this murderous, civilian-bombing and subjugating stain from the canvas (by extending the prideflag over it)!

https://canvas.fediverse.events/#x=272&y=106&zoom=5

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[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I've always been annoyed by all the country flags. I don't think any country should be represented on there and am not sure how the Nato flag is much worse. But unfortunately many people seem to be pretty patriotic :(

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

They just do not have nothing else to be proud of.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

NATO has a far-right historical context and does not exist out of that context. Like, nobody is from NATO, it's an Imperialist millitary alliance.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Well, countries are also just made up and serve to divide people. Not much better than the NATO...

I'd say 'no border no nation' and then we've also solved the problem of NATO!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Countries exist regardless, they are pockets of self-governance. NATO is an explicit defense alliance among the largest Imperialist Powers. In Star Wars, it's the Empire's military forces, it's a defense of the status quo against those under the thumb of Empire.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure, I can agree that the NATO is considerably worse than countries. I still think that there shouldn't be any country flags on spaces like this and that patriotism will always lead to nationalism and then to fascism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Sure, I can agree with most of that. I think Nationalism is worse than Patriotism, and won't inherently lead to fascism, as fascism is more of a "turning back of the clock" to the "good old days." A flag of progress can be useful and good.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I drew the hungarian flag in EU, not for being patriotic to my country (It's disappointing to be hungarian) but for my love to EU.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the EU is just a (neo-) imperialist/colonialist block submissive to NATO

To clarify: I am very much in favour of a union of peoples, just not under the auspices of and in servitude to the rich

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

Well, we are indeed too reliant on the US, especially in military-related affairs, but at least NATO sorta provided a guaranteed safety from countries called Russia for example, even with some of NATO's controversial choices in the past (I haven't formed an opinion on the involvement in the Serbian-Croatian war yet, both sides have its merits). We will see how the independent European army plan will fruition.

[–] onoira@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

i think it would be more symbolic to extend the rainbow peace flag over it.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Why do you keep trying to kill the heart between the flags with nato blue?

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

That's a much better idea!

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Reminder: this is a meme community

[–] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Damn that’s really interesting how you aren’t calling this out on the hundred other meme communities using their comm to blatantly organize canvas activities right next to this post in the feed

[–] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is the only one I saw on my all feed, clicked the community because I've not really paid attention to it and thought it was a funny pairing of pinned posts. If you don't see the irony, what are you even doing in a meme community.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oooh... I see the "Liberals-Masquerading-As-Leftists" downvote brigade has been here.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 3 points 3 months ago

I’ve been hit by them before. They dislike anything that points out that they’re part of the problem.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I really can't see how anyone considering themselves a Leftist could support NATO, let alone stan it to the point of personally identifying with it. Like, you don't in any way need to be a Marxist-Leninist, Anarchists hate NATO too. All it requires is an understanding of the historical role of NATO and opposition to the furthest reaches of Capitalism that form the primary contradiction of the modern era.

The folks over on NCD that stan NATO are an interesting bunch, it starts with a nerdy interest in military gear and history, and turns into outright fascism very quickly.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Any progressive should be against imperialism and imo it is a "mask off" moment which rly helps distinguishing between well meaning progressive libs and neoliberal posers

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Agreed. I don't fault libs for not reading Lenin, but again, you don't need Lenin to understand the negative role NATO has played historically. Even well-intentioned non-Marxist, non-Anarchist liberals can deduce that NATO is the largest Imperialist military alliance in history.

To not only not recognize this, but to further support NATO, shows where your stances really reside.

[–] Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

So what's the alternative to combatting Russian and Chinese imperialism as a western-born leftist?

How would/should an organised socialist military industrial complex shake out and not also be labeled imperialist? As someone who hasn't read Lenin, what is the solution to creating a society we dream of without the "big stick" that is NATO?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Even well-intentioned non-Marxist, non-Anarchist liberals can deduce that NATO is the largest Imperialist military alliance in history.

Yes they can and do... and that's why liberals love NATO.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 months ago

@onoira@lemmy.dbzer0.com had the much better idea of extending the prideflag over the imperialist stain!