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[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

How do they not realise they literally give the best argument for the original proposal in their answer?!

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Is the distinction more than pedantic?

Edit: I get the connotation that being hung means your dong is admirable. But in terms of the past tense of hang, both hanged and hung seem to be valid options such as in "I hung the laundry". And the alternative, "I hanged the laundry" sounds wrong. So pendantry?

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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I work adjacent to education, and as such see a lot of high school transcripts come across my desk. The bad news is that there are absolutely tons of bad actors who use homeschooling as a way to indoctrinate kids to their insane, unsubstantiated worldview.

The worst news is that there's a ton of private schools and even some public schools doing it too. Schools across the U.S. are teaching creationism as fact, climate change as theory, and some of them even have the gall to consider their "Biblical Science" classes as honors level. If your only argument against homeschooling is indoctrination, it's not a very good one. In states like Utah and Oklahoma, you'd almost have to homeschool your kid just to make sure they're receiving a real education.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ve yet to ever meet or speak with a libertarian that had any respectable amount of intelligence.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'll disagree, slightly. They can also be:

  • starting from flawed premises (aka "The world is a just place" or "a just god exists")
  • Inexperienced edgelords
  • Arguing in bad faith (or just "I've got mine, so fuck you")

I say this as someone who flirted with libertarianism in my early 20's due mostly to a conservative religious upbringing. I'm not super smart, but I flatter myself to say that I'm above average intelligence and education, and there was still a brief time in my life when libertarianism served like a valid ideology. It took actually reading some objectivist philosophy and simultaneously reexamining and then rejecting my religious background before the flaws became evident.

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[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 7 points 4 months ago

I've known many people who've participated in home schooling as teachers or students. A wide variety of "teaching" goes on, some of is just a more personal relationship with your child's formal education, on the other extreme, you have people like OP referenced.... and everything in between.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Libertarians of NH are famously stupid and terrible at everything though so I wouldn't worry too much.

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[–] duderium2@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fascists: do fascist things

Liberals: correct their spelling, then allow them to continue because fascism doesn’t threaten capital

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[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

What's the consensus on homeschooling from lemmy users?

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've got a sister and a sister in law who both homeschool their 4 children each. Those kids don't know how to read. It makes me pretty sick.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

That's... Sad. My kindergartner knows how to read already.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Good if you're actually able to do it properly, but there's a lot of cases where the parents really shouldn't be doing it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Fine if you're not a lazy, racist idiot who's actually just scared their children might become friends with black kids and otherwise shouldn't have passed sixth grade themselves.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would be great if home schooling had some laws around not teaching your kids to be christofascist terrorists

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

My daughter was very severely bullied in her middle school and we put her in an online school she does from home, but it's a public school with classes (via videoconference) with actual accredited teachers and the same awful Pierson textbooks everyone else uses anyway because Pierson, unfortunately, runs the program despite it being a public school.

She got the best grades she's ever gotten and gained a ton of self confidence when she was self-harming before.

Not exactly homeschooling as it is usually thought of, but she does do school from home.

Incidentally, this also means I can correct the information in her health class about things like cannabis and can also make sure she understands that her social studies class is often giving her the right wing or corporate viewpoints that are typical in American schools. She knows she still has to answer their way, but at least she knows what they're lying about when I can show her that they're lying.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Like I posted above, the biggest issue with home schooling. Is it almost always is used to brainwash the children towards extremism.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Given how difficult it can be for a trained teacher to successfully manage lesson plans and teach one or two subjects, it's not hard to see why homeschooling is a disaster for a lot of kids who wind up being taught by a single parent with minimal to no education credentials.

Best-case scenario I've seen is that the students wind up pretty un-rounded, and wind up excelling in one or two subjects, while neglecting basically anything else. It makes sense from the perspective of the parent as well. That might be the subject you're most familiar with, and therefore can, even unintentionally, give it the most attention. Another aspect is wanting your kid to succeed, and if you see them excelling in a subject and doing poorly in another, there's a tendency to just keep focusing on that since they're doing so well on it, rather than "wasting time" on other subjects they're not excelling in.

Only 2 people I've ever known have managed to be what I'd consider "successful" after homeschooling. Both went to the same engineering school that I did, and did extremely well overall. However, they suffered many of the same issues in terms of over-specialization, which becomes really apparent when you talk with them for an extended period of time. Usually they also tend to be incredibly socially inept, but fortunately for these guys their parents gave them a ton of opportunities for socialization with clubs and social hobbies, so that wasn't as apparent, but still something that a lot of homeschool students miss out on.

Realistically, I think the only way you could feasibly manage a truly quality homeschool education is with both parents having an in-depth education of 2-3 subjects (like 5-6 years minimum), in addition to at least some formal educational training. Then, bringing in home tutors for the subjects they likely won't be able to cover nearly as well to supplement them. Finally, having them enrolled in an absurd amount of sports/clubs/hobbies to make up for the 6 hours of social contact with other kids they're missing out on.

With that being said, it's a fuckton more effort and money than almost anyone is going to actually put into a homeschool education, and 98% of the time it's going to be a stay at home parent with minimal to no credentials buying lesson plans off the internet, brushing up on them the night before, and likely giving lackluster instruction on most subjects.

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