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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pennsylvania and Michigan are the ones to watch. Biden cannot win without them. There literally is no path if Trump takes them.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And his support for genocide has already lost him Michigan.

Yell what you want at me, centrists.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

What's crazy is that your comment isn't even endorsing any position, just stating a fact:

Michigan has a large and diverse Muslim community and without them, Biden is unlikely to win the state.

His policy on Israel's war has lost him those votes, and that has been reflected in the polling since long before the debate.

This isn't a new development.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

some of the vocally anti-biden members of lemmy have been really acerbic in the past and that has carried forward poorly to this date so now there is a lot of animosity towards them even as they are speaking truth.

but yeah i’m really sad. biden’s policy on israel’s genocide cost him michigan, and his refusal to step back might just cost democrats the election. it all snowballs.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

some of the vocally anti-biden members of lemmy have been really acerbic in the past

And over something as insignificant as genocide.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 4 months ago

Sorry man but you have been pretty verbally unkind to me in the past over things not even related to geopolitics or life/death matters. I probably fully match your positions on geopolitics but don’t expect me to relent and say those behaviors have no consequences. :(

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What’s crazy is that your comment isn’t even endorsing any position, just stating a fact:

I learned long ago that centrists can't tell the difference.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

This shouldn't be downvoted. No lie was told.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Despite the fact that Trump openly calls Palestinians "vermin" and says that Israel isn't exterminating them fast enough.

While Biden naively supports Israel, not genocide directly.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Despite the fact that Trump openly calls Palestinians “vermin” and says that Israel isn’t exterminating them fast enough.

Great. He's still losing Michigan even though Trump is worse.

While Biden naively supports Israel, not genocide directly.

He's openly claimed it's not a genocide. If he doesn't know better, well, that tracks with his debate performance.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Denying theres a genocide in Gaza puts Biden in line with qAnon holocaust deniers.

[–] echo@lemmings.world 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Meh fuck it... vote for the orange fascist and end democracy. Fucking morons.

[–] Midnight 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'd vote for a literal corpse with a (D), but there's voters who are somehow undecided or ambivalent about fascism. The fact remains that the polling shows this hurts Biden in required swing states which is extremely concerning.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

precisely. you can’t just ignore articles about the “moronic” things voters are saying, because those “morons” happen to each have a vote. pay attention to them or lose.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago

The fact that New York Times of all things is now considered evil/propaganda/russian because they reported the factual news of "People aren't enjoying Biden" and "The Debate was between a orange liar and a old man, neither won" people are wanting to boycott it.

Like this is when Republicans stopped watching (briefly until they forgot) Fox News because Chris Christie started thanking Obama for taking care of the repairs after a Hurricane. The moment their favorite news source doesn't repeat the same talking points as they want to hear, it's now evil.

Liberals just was a Democrat version of OAN, not a free press. John Oliver and John Stewart both got a lot of random hate mail from liberals for saying "Biden isn't a new FDR."

[–] Sightline@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They should view the data and make an appropriate response instead of letting their ego get in the way.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

I should have a 10” schlong.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

We’re all fucked, we’re gonna get trump. I’m voting Brandon, but the guy fucked up huge.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Its funny how democrats actually believe we have any form of democracy. Your candidates are hand chosen by corporations and bankers, Your media is essentially state run propaganda, they have you fighting over which right wing oligarch will serve you this term, and they use voters to do their dirty work of keeping them in power

[–] Sightline@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There's already catastrophic levels of voter apathy and that's your response?

[–] echo@lemmings.world 2 points 4 months ago

You don't like apathetic sarcasm? I'm going to vote for the guy with one foot in the grave with the hopes we end up with the first female president relatively quickly.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Voter apathy is largely myth. What liberals refer to as voter apathy are disenfranchised voters that realize that the system does nothing to help them, they are poor with blue in the White House and Congress they are poor with red in the White House and Congress. One tells you he's going to stab you in the back while the other one calls himself an ally while also stabbing you in the back.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Meh, I guess so

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it’s been how many days and we are still doing the “downvote the news because i don’t like it” thing?

people reacted to a thing and that reaction is going to have ripples, whether you think that’s a rational response or not. ignoring prescient issues is not campaign action; it’s ignoring prescient issues. and making you look just as bad as fox news et al being wholly submissive to trump.

you look quite silly.

[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He’s gonna lose. He didn’t convincingly beat Trump last time and his feebleness now is going to cost them.

It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it’s coming, and you just have to wait.