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In the past week and a half, I've noticed Reddit behaviors starting to try and poison all of the places that people are taking refuge in to get away from the toxicity, myself included. They've started to DDoS Lemmy for a while, which is a Reddit thing to do and what they're notorious of doing whenever they feel they don't like something.

And now they've been trickling in numbers, these incredibly toxic users that behave as they would on Reddit. The reckless shitposting, derailing open civil discussions with unfunny and irrelevant jokes. The downvote brigading and banding together to get you banned. This exact thing has happened to me on Lemmy, that I had to leave because the toxicity was gradually building.

We should reject Reddit toxicity in general, tell them they don't have a place here or anywhere. They know where they can dump their shit in, but they feel that because they've made mountains of it, that they've got to come over to other places and do it all over again.

I left Reddit because the toxicity levels have gotten unbearable. I really am yearning for a place where I can talk in and not be antagonized. I'm sure others are too.

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[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let Reddit go lol, it's making you paranoid.

[–] Anomander@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The idea that Reddit is staging some nefarious conspiracy to "poison" fediverse spaces ... is losing the whole plot.

OP's straight up writing fanfiction trying to cast a site they just left as villains in some swashbuckling coming-of-age story. It's a nine-hour-old account, and they're already embracing the Us vs Them mentality and trying to sell it with prose.

I don't know how OP managed to pick fights within a couple hours of signing up for their account, but I'd suggest that if they left Reddit for "toxicity" only to immediately find it here too ... maybe they're carrying it around with them?

[–] siv9939@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm 99% sure OP has made multiple accounts to try to sell their 'ex-Redditors are evil" schtick. I saw a post this morning from someone with a similar name pretty much saying the same thing.

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[–] Shhalahr@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Painting Reddit as a monolith in general is a problem, too. "Reddit is toxic?" Some subs, sure. But certainly not the ones I subscribed to. Some of them might have had bad actors here and there. But they were usually dealt with by the mods.

In the end, the only toxicity that drove me away from Reddit was the toxicity from the CEO.

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[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Idk boss, i think that's a problem with humans / modern society, not specific to Reddit.com

Not sure why you would think only "the good ones" would migrate to Lemmy, but with any group of people online, with size comes trolls.

[–] harmonea@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

OP goes

I left Reddit because the toxicity levels have gotten unbearable.

And then seriously goes around disagreevoting replies like this one. Can we say "part of the problem"? Can we not foster a community where every counterpoint is met with that small but constant hostility? Be the change you want to see, OP, and reserve that shit for straight-up unproductive comments.

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[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should reject Reddit toxicity in general, tell them they don't have a place here or anywhere.

Wait, so you're saying we should kick out all ex-Redditors?

First they came for the Redditors, and I said nothing
Then they came for the Facebookers, and still I said nothing
Then they came for the Instagramians, and still I said nothing
Then they came for the Twits, and I laughed and laughed and laughed until I vomited
Then they came for the OnlyFans, and I think they're still coming

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

some say they may never stop coming...

[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 21 points 1 year ago (31 children)

Are you the same person as this guy? You seem to keep making new accounts and posts to hide your post history and complain about redditors.

I certainly can't know whether what you've experienced is actually toxicity or just criticism, as I can't see your post history. But any site with sufficient mass will be flooded with people like this. All the way back to 1993.

Part of being online anywhere with open signups and free discussion is just dealing with that sort of thing. The only way to prevent it is to spin up your own defederate instance and only allow people to join who you deem worthy of conversation with.

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (13 children)

you should get over yourself, and not worry about calling other people names

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[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I think maybe you are on the wrong instances. Find some better people or start your own community. And we are Lemmings not Redditors anymore.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Kbinaut here. I'm still wondering if Kbinite or Kbinaut will win out lol.

Meanwhile poor OP is apparently being haunted by the shadows of redditors calling him out for toxicity on two different websites lol.

If it smells like shit everywhere you go...

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

impartial observer: Kbinite sounds like a Kpop fan who plays fortnite. Kbinaut sounds like someone who explorers the depths of the internet for amusement.

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[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Kbin and Lemmy are better built than Reddit in several ways to handle those behaviours to a certain point:

  • Karma: it's hidden on Kbin, and I can't find it on Lemmy. So, there is no pressure to post or comment something. Do you know that feeling on Reddit when you have 500 karma, you write a comment, and later you have 480 karma? That's what I'm talking about.

  • Instances with their own rules: every instance has its own administrator(s), and they can set different rules for them and apply them. Some are more tolerant than others, so in the end,your experience depends on what instance your account is. Besides, some instances don't have downvotes, so that's a big plus too.

  • People: we all, or the most of us, know how situation was on Reddit, how we struggled to make our experience be positive, with no success. Because we know that, we don't want that situation to replicate on these places. It's difficult sometimes, but we do what we can.

  • Defederation: as someone said here, if situation inside an instance is too hard to tackle, to the point that those bad entities harass users on other instances, then defederation is key, until the situation comes back to normal.

And there are other things, like algorithm (or lack of), code open sourced to fork if you wish, etc.

[–] harmonea@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Karma: it's hidden on Kbin, and I can't find it on Lemmy. So, there is no pressure to post or comment something. Do you know that feeling on Reddit when you have 500 karma, you write a comment, and later you have 480 karma? That's what I'm talking about.

Eh?

You have 3140 karma ("reputation"). It's not hidden.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only real toxicity i have noticed on here comes mostly from lemmygrad

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Are you OK mate? Like, seriously, are you OK? It sounds like you're very preoccupied with Reddit. Just do what a lot of us recent Lemmy joiners have done - delete your account and never visit that shithole again.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I went to Reddit today for a simple, politly asked question. First time in 51 days. It turned into a shitshow within 2 hours, with people being incredibly mean toward me and others. Man, Reddit has become everything I hate about social media. I use to like it because it was easy to have civil discussion, but thats gone now.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

This is the Twitter effect.

The more the engaging and respectful leave for greener pastures, the more concentrated the bile left behind is... the more someone trying to be engaging or respectful is compelled to leave.

The only way out of the death spiral for Reddit is to either totally revamp the way they engage the community (not going to happen) or else to completely give up to being a mil-deep platform primarily for advertisers, trolls, and bots.

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit is a LOT of bots now. The bots were trained on existing bots, and trolls. Reddit will never change as a direct result of this heritage of awfulness.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 7 points 1 year ago

People on Lemmy can be a bit rude at times, but it's not like they're actually toxic. A huge proportion of Lemmy (and mastodon) users have tech background, and this demographic are often very direct and don't mince their words when posting online, which can appear to be rude and unwelcoming. Just keep your head cool when talking to them.

That being said, toxic people do exist here though, the kind of people that downvotes and do personal attacks when people post something they don't like instead of doing civilized discussion like normal people. Most people here probably know who I'm talking about lol.

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