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[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 88 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What a terrible headline. 100% made it sound like they killed their own kid.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago

My first thought was "How does an incel have a kid?!"

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

That headline is so horribly written. And about a just rancid event.

[–] swag_money@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

fuckin incels man... what a fucked up read

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Ugh. This was a horrible event.

But don't be fooled by the "article." It's an ad for a streaming service.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

A new episode of Investigation Discovery’s show Deadly Influence: The Social Media Murders, that premieres Monday, June 17 at 9pm ET on ID (streaming on Max), delves into the Instagram star’s very public murder and trauma her family has endured from seeing “sick people” turn her death into a social media “spectacle.”

Get ready for more trauma, I guess. Jesus christ.

[–] liam070@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

and to this day people are still on her accounts leaving horrific comments.

"I’m constantly on guard around social media"

Why is her account still online? Why is the family active on FB and IG after that horrific murder? I wouldn't be able to turn a computer on for the rest of my life.

[–] brad_troika@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For a lot of people that's their primary way of keeping in contact with family and friends, I'm not sure why they should be the ones getting off of social media.

[–] liam070@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't they use some sort of private setting? Not sure if that is possible, I have never used social media stuff. Thats why I'm seriously interested. Your argument is valid, but the 14 year old edgelord with mental health issues doesn't care.

[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

What needs to happen is what the mother has been fighting for. Disseminating crime scene photos on social media as a means to traumatize victims families really shouldn't be legal.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

They should be taken for a mandatory psych eval.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Don't you need to have had sex to have a daughter? How can he be an incel?

[–] pop@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

An incel murdered their (someone else's) daughter and photos of it spread online: ‘They (horrible people/incels) would tag us (the family members) in it’

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The title is just fucked.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

ugh... sometimes I think it is time to lock the doors to the internet and as a world spend about two years without it

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Could someone paste the article?

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

An incel murdered her Instagram influencer daughter and photos of it spread online: ‘They would tag us in it’

Bianca Devins, 17, of Utica, New York, was murdered in July 2019. But the horror didn’t end there.

Andrea Cavallier

Brandon Clark (pictured left at his booking in July 2019) pleaded guilty to the second-degree murder of Instagram star Bianca Devins (Oneida County Jail, Instagram)Brandon Clark (pictured left at his booking in July 2019) pleaded guilty to the second-degree murder of Instagram star Bianca Devins (Oneida County Jail, Instagram)

Bianca Devins was an anime-obsessed teenager who found purpose and a small following as a mental health advocate – but soon became a target of online attacks. Then her murder went viral.

A new episode of Investigation Discovery’s show Deadly Influence: The Social Media Murders, that premieres Monday, June 17 at 9pm ET on ID (streaming on Max), delves into the Instagram star’s very public murder and trauma her family has endured from seeing “sick people” turn her death into a social media “spectacle.”

Her mother Kimberly Devins speaks out in the episode RIP Bianca about the “devastating” pain she felt over not being able to protect her daughter from her killer – and, even after her death, from the Internet.

Bianca Devins, 17, was killed in 2019 after attending a concert in New York City. Photos of her body were posted onlineBianca, 17, of Utica, New York, was murdered in July 2019. But the horror didn’t end there.

Bianca Devins, 17, was killed in 2019 after attending a concert in New York City. Photos of her body were posted online Bianca Devins, 17, was killed in 2019 after attending a concert in New York City. Photos of her body were posted online (Bianca Devins). Brandon Clark, who she met on Instagram, had slit her throat and then posted bloody images of himself with Bianca’s body on Discord, an online chat service, as well as on his own Instagram page.

Next to the photos, he  allegedly wrote: “sorry, f**kers, you’re going to have to find somebody else to orbit.”Next to the photos, he allegedly wrote: “sorry, f**kers, you’re going to have to find somebody else to orbit.” When police arrived, he slit his own throat and took a selfie.

But Clark survived and a group of incels — the name given to men who are “involuntarily celibate”, and known for supporting sexist anti-women content — rallied around him, calling him a “legend” and a “hero” who “did the world a favor” in online comments while branding Bianca as “worthless” and “disgusting.”

Clark was later sentenced to 25 years to life in state prison. But the horror of what happened to Bianca continues to haunt her family.

“People posted the picture [of her dead body] under my Facebook profile picture, they would send it to [Bianca’s sister] Olivia and I constantly,” Bianca’s mother said in the documentary.

“They would tag us in it. It felt like as soon as we got one picture removed another one was posted. As a mother, it was very devastating because I feel like I couldn’t protect her from that. I couldn’t protect her from her murder and then I couldn’t protect her from being exploited on the internet.”

Bianca’s mother Kimberly Devins speaks out in new documentaryBianca’s mother Kimberly Devins speaks out in new documentary

“At first people who saw the post were incredibly disturbed. But when Brandon survived that suicide attempt, the incel community reared forward and presented themselves in a way that was celebrating Brandon,” Kelly Ruhl, true crime podcaster, says in the episode.

Bianca’s loved ones say her social media accounts became a spectacle, and to this day people are still on her accounts leaving horrific comments.

In a March 2023 interview with The Independent, Ms Devins said she has been dealing with an onslaught of graphic imagery from her daughter’s murder for years.

“It’s just, you know, I never feel like I can let my guard down,” she said at the time. “I’m constantly on guard around social media. I never know when [those pictures] are going to be uploaded… It’s just like you’re re-traumatized every time you have to see that. I mean, that’s my 17-year-old daughter. We have to see her like that. No one should have to continuously look at that.”

Now, nearly five years after Bianca’s murder, the ID episode explores the disturbing reality of how some individuals use social media and online forums to threaten, harass, and even plan violent attacks.

While Bianca’s passion for helping others attracted a massive social media following, it also made her a target for those seeking to cause harm.

Gianna Rosado, one of Bianca’s friends, speaks out in the documentary about her friend being targeted and how her murder was on display for all to see.

“I could still see it in my head, she was just exposed,” Rosado said. “All these sick people can just look at it when I ever they want.”

Horrific comments were posted online in the wake of Bianca Devins’s murder (Investigation Discovery)

Five years later, there are “still “people spamming the comments” of her posts with both “negative” and supportive messages, according to the documentary.

“If we were to go on there right now, the most recent comment would be two hours ago, and that to me is just insane,” Gianna said.

Bianca’s mother has campaigned for years to hold social media platforms accountable. In 2022, Bianca’s Law was signed by New York Gov. Kathy Hochul.

“It establishes the crime of unlawful dissemination of personal images, particularly crime scene photos,” Devins told the New York Post.

“In New York state, if you upload and disseminate graphic personal photos or pictures of a crime scene, that’s illegal. But I’m still advocating it because we need to expand this into federal law. Right now, it’s too narrow to limit it to New York. The only way to hold social media companies and Big Tech companies accountable is to establish a federal law.”

“I never really felt like justice was served until that law was signed because her murderer going to jail doesn’t bring her back,” she added. “It doesn’t take back all the trauma we’ve suffered. But I finally feel like we got a little bit of justice for Bianca. Her name will prevent other families from experiencing what we went through.”

Bianca’s story is one episode of six in Investigation Discovery’s new series which delves into the underbelly of social media, exploring the dark reality of toxic online communities and showcasing the devastating risks associated with viral social media fame.

RIP Bianca premieres Monday, June 17 at 9/8c on ID & Streaming on Max.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's fucked up. She was a child. These incels are idolizing a sicko murderer for killing an acquaintance. I know that is typical incel behavior but it is still repugnant.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago

Agree, it’s beyond the pale. The harassers should be found and punished, because it’s totally fucked up to torture a family like that. And, like filters on social media do with CSAM, they should be filtering this image out.

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago
[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck man. Lucky enough to have a kid of their own and they pull this vile shit.

[–] swag_money@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The killer wasn't related to the victim. this is what i thought at first too - the headline is misleading

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's a bizarre sentence... It prominently introduced the victim and murderer as objects but did not introduce the parent as the subject of the statement.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

"A mother heartbroken after incel murders their daughter..."

It almost feels like they just omitted a few words. Kind of terrible writing. Click bait?

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah my brain inserted "own" into the headline :|

Still, fuckin vile. Plenty of us ugly motherfuckers can't get a date but we don't fuckin kill kids. I'm not up to date with the lingo, but incel sounds like it's more than just being ugly with no charisma. This is like some satanic panic ritual murder shit.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It means involuntarily celibate, it's a very loose term, it can refer to some slightly organized groups, but mostly it is used informally. One of the big problems with it, is a lot of young guys get sucked into this bullshit because they expected a sexual relationship to happen sooner.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that is kinda fucked then. So like a shit ton of people have this label attached to them for not getting laid and the media makes them out to be some kind of sexually frustrated freddy kruger. Talk about punching down.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The "incel community" in the article is made up of men who have labeled themselves, as a way of blaming women for not giving them the sex they feel they "deserve," instead of making any real effort to connect with women as people. They come off as creepy because they are power-hungry creeps.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Ah ok that does narrow it down then.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It's entirely self identified, you are not an incel because you're a 19 year old virgin, no one is going to call you an incel, but if you get sucked into one of these groups and start thinking of yourself this way, you're doing a lot of harm to yourself. There's a lot of men who didn't lose their virginity into their 20s, it wasn't because they were forced to be virgins against their will, it just takes time, effort, and self care to attract a partner, if you want a partner rather than an encounter, which plenty of men want a partner, it takes some time to get there.

Again, it's a self identified thing, people might use it as an insult at someone, but no one is an incel until they personally decide that's what's happening in their life. And they're usually wrong, no guy under 30 is capable of being an incel in my opinion.

At least with Mgtow (a different men's group called 'men going their own way') if you show up in their spaces and you're under 30 and not divorced or married, they will tell you you're in the wrong place, you shouldn't be there, and that community isn't related to anything you're going through.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago

Except he didn't murder his daughter. The headlinr is just bad.