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The new standards are part of a broad push to get more Americans into electric vehicles, and reduce the environmental cost of driving.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does that stipulation include hybrids or just ice? Seems like it would be more easily attained in hybrids

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I like electric vehicles, but when will the charging infrastructure get better? People without garages, ones that live in apartments and cities don't have a convenient way to charge an electric vehicle. Most people living without a convenient way to charge their vehicle can't afford an electric vehicle either. Hybrids are a lot easier to have now until the infrastructure gets better and they meet the 50mpg.

[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (14 children)

I see more and more stores and parking lots with EV parking/charging. Once it becomes a value-add for the average car user many apartments and shared parking spaces will start to include EV charging.

I don’t understand the comment arguing about upgrading power infrastructure. EVs don’t use more electricity to charge than say a fully electric water heater or any major appliances/tools that a maker has at their homes. Maybe in some more rural areas, but then again, those are the places that 3-phase 240v already exists to support farming/processing tools.

[–] Paranize@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you add thousands of electrical car chargers to the grid without upgrading the carrying capacity of the transmission lines and the power generating capacity of the power plants you'll have more demand than what the utilities can supply.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It isn't even the charging infrastucture, it's the distribution infra. There are a lot of upgrades from the main HV transmission lines to the last mile that need to be taken up by an order of magnitude if everyone starts to drive EVs.

I mean, it's not impossible, but we'd better start now. Hell, AC use alone has brought places like Texas to its knees, now add EVs to that demand.

[–] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Texas has those problems because they refuse to be a part of the national grid. EV charging/demand has little effect on a national sized grid. A fully electric water heater draws more power for long periods of time than any EV I am aware of. And those are everywhere in the US.

3-phase 240v service is already available in most modern homes and def available to most apartment complexes that have to supply power for hundreds of apartments.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

240v is available in most homes but three phase is very rare for residential areas unless they are right next to an industrial zone.

Also a standard 4K heater runs about 3 hours a day and is usually the biggest power draw in a house depending on ac. That is about twice the draw of a class 1 home charger but the charger is probably being used for at least 6 hours for a daily driver. So it's realistic to almost double a houses daily use with an EV.

EVs are great but we do need to upgrade the infrastructure to handle them. It's still a lot less infrastructure then we use to distribute gasoline.

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[–] JohnOliver@feddit.dk 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Most new cars can do that already though can't they? I'm not part of the 'new car demographic' but even when buying used cars, i wouldn't buy one that had lower mileage that that.

I was looking at a Ford Focus station car from 2011 that did 21km/l and the target above translates to that too!

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago

A gallon of gasoline is roughly 33 kWh, depending on a lot of variables.

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