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When Britain’s prime minister, Rishi Sunak, stood in the pouring rain last week to announce a general election, there could hardly have been a less auspicious beginning to the Conservative Party’s campaign. In the space of a few days, it has gone downhill from there.

Eighty-five Tory MPs have shown their confidence in their party’s ability to win another term by declaring their retirement. These include the former PM Theresa May, long-serving minister Michael Gove, and erstwhile Tory leadership contender Andrea Leadsom. Twenty-two of these MPs have served in the Commons for fewer than ten years, and ten of them were only elected in 2019.
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They are right to be worried. What is happening to the Tories is the culmination of the long-term decline and decomposition of their vote, which was accelerated by Brexit, Boris Johnson, the Truss debacle, and Sunak’s time in office. As I have argued in detail elsewhere, during the 2010s, the party became increasingly dependent on a coalition of propertied interests, with its core mass base provided by elderly voters.

These layers of the electorate were shielded from the direct consequences of the 2010–15 Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition government through protection of pensioners’ incomes via the “triple lock” — a guarantee the state pension would rise in tandem with average earnings, inflation, or a baseline figure of 2.5 percent (whichever is the highest).

Deft manoeuvring around the “need” for cuts and judicious scapegoating helped ensure the Tories then escaped the political consequences of systematic cuts to public services, especially the National Health Service, that this demographic cohort depends on. But there was more to this loyalty than the consequences of Tory policy from 2010 onward.

First of all, there is the social location of being a pensioner. Because the incomes of pensioners tend to be fixed and cannot be made good in an emergency by reentering employment, their experience is analogous to that of the petty bourgeoisie. As many Marxists have observed, dependence on one’s own modest capital and ability to labo[u]r produces a political disposition toward stability and a hostility to real and imagined threats.
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The second factor, which you might call the “strong force,” comes from [pensioner's] tendency to acquire property over time. […] This has had two significant political consequences. For the elderly property owner, it has strengthened the tendency to right-wing, authoritarian politics that was already latent in the social location of pensioners. In contrast, for younger people — today’s under-fifties — the housing shortage has severed the link between aging and the propensity to vote for the Right which, in the British case, means the Conservatives.
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Sunak’s election campaign is the last gasp of a historically exhausted party. The task of trying to turn the situation around by appealing to working-age people is difficult, because his own political outlook (and that of the Tories in general) seeks to undercut any demands made on the state.

Steps to addressing the housing shortage would cut against the interest that the existing Tory coalition has in keeping property values high and maintaining the private rental sector. A move away from a politics of scapegoating would deprive the Tories of a tried-and-tested method of binding their supporters together.

As a result of Johnson’s stupidity, Truss’s recklessness, and Sunak’s do-nothing attitude, the age at which someone is more likely to vote Tory has more than doubled since 2019, from thirty-nine to seventy. To prevent complete disintegration at this hour, all the Tories can do is double down and hope there will be a viable enough rump left from which to fight back after the election. Even such a limited measure of success could well prove to be out of their reach.

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[–] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't let this make you all laxidasical about voting. "They'll lose anyway so fuck it" and all that.

Vote the fuckers out

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a dual citizen who voted out Trump, I made it a point to emigrate in time to vote out the Tories. I plan to grin like a maniac for three weeks after I accomplish it.

[–] Lifebandit666@feddit.uk 6 points 5 months ago

You. I like.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 9 points 5 months ago

It also sends a message that their kind of politics is not welcome and they should pay a price for it, politically. I was just surprised it didn't happen last time. Looks like it just got suppressed and grew more.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago

It is our civic duty.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Rats fleeing the sinking ship they pillaged and sank.

All will undoubtably retire to live off their offshore bank accounts, or receive lucrative consulting jobs from the corporations and oligarchs who bribed them.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Hatred will not be our species' end.

Avarice will.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Would highly recommend reading the article in full, my splicing really doesn't do it justice.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

You're being humble.

I get the gist of the story, and I could pass the quiz.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Best of luck! Dump that garbage.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's ok, Labour has picked up where the Tories left off.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I do think people forget the authoritarian impulses of New Labour. There were a lot of "mumsnet" policies in the mid-2000s which I personally found offputting.

That said, the reality of our first past the post system is that the electorate need to choose a least bad option; which seems to be Labour in this case.

[–] hairyfeet@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Does retirement mean anything? Can they come back and stand in the election after this one?

[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would love the tories to become the new lib dems after this. Present in some strongholds but no chance of holding office in most of our lifetimes, except perhaps in coalition.

I've got a big bottle of whiskey I've been saving for when they are out. It's so dusty, but I really believe it this time. Vote vote vote.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're calling for a good ole con lib coalition

[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I'll be glad to see the backs of the Tories, but I don't have high expectations for Labour. Every time the Tories fuck up Labour simply suggests "we wouldn't do it that way." Hindsight is a pretty powerful thing and I don't know if they'll be able to make the right decisions either.

Tories definitely shouldn't win, but I don't feel labour deserve to win. I feel like I'm voting for the lesser of 2 evils 😞

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's all well and good. They clearly deserve much much worse.

Unfortunately, what comes next is New Labour pissing on everyone's head, while their media toadies write endless columns about how their prayers for rain have finally been answered...and everyone better be grateful for it.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

the blue tories at least

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago

We can but hope.