794
One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it's not the ford.
this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2023
794 points (94.0% liked)
Fuck Cars
9773 readers
89 users here now
This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.
This community exists for the following reasons:
- to raise awareness around the dangers, inefficiencies and injustice that can come from car dependence.
- to allow a place to discuss and promote more healthy transport methods and ways of living.
You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.
Rules
-
Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn't choose car-centric life out of free will.
-
No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don't use slurs. You can laugh at someone's fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.
-
Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don't post literal car fucking.
-
No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.
-
No reposts. Before sharing, check if your post isn't a repost. Reposts that add something new are fine. Reposts that are sharing content from somewhere else are fine too.
-
No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.
-
No harassment. Posts that (may) cause harassment, dogpiling or brigading, intentionally or not, will be removed. Please do not post screenshots containing uncensored usernames. Actual harassment, dogpiling or brigading is a bannable offence.
Please report posts and comments that violate our rules.
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
The sad thing is that they're not even that roomy. Something like a skoda superb beats this ford truck hands down when it comes to leg room.
So:
A common argument is 'it can tow stuff', which is also silly because you can do that with a far smaller car too.
So it's a fashion statement or virtue signaler. I mean, obviously we all hate it, but the people that buy these kind of trucks usually get off on that. They're virtue signaling to their (internet) friends.
I would love to see the smaller car that can tow a 35 foot 5th wheel trailer.
Or the van that can haul 12 foot logs stacked 6 feet deep.
Or carry two 1000liter water totes and allow them to be filled from the overhead hose that is provided by the municipality.
Or pull a trailer with a rented excavator.
The point here isn't to argue. But I do get pretty tired of these threads just shitting on trucks for fun. They don't make sense for non tradespeople living in a city. But I could not do with one vehicle if that vehicle wasn't a pickup.
I'm building a homestead from scratch where I had to cut the trees of the forest down in order to make room to put my trailer to live in. Without the truck I could not haul the trailer all the way to the mill, all the milled wood back, and carry all of the things that I need to build the house. While still giving me 4 seats so that my nephews have a seat when I pick them up.
Edit to add: Mine is also dirty, dented, scratched, and abused. I don't have time to make a work machine shiny, I have work to do.
Yeah but people are specifically criticizing the people who buy trucks to show off in the city, not people who actually use them for what they were made to do
The comment they replied to is literally someone criticizing people for using them for what they were made to do... so no that isn't what "people are specifically criticizing".
Yeah that's my bad, I didn't realize that criticizing comment's original point. I'd love to see someone run a small farm with a freaking sedan, what a moron.
4x4 with a tow hook. Attach an open trailer when necessary.
Here's a 4x4 towing a boeing 747:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmM-635RR6o
I get that. I really do. But a lot of these threads devolve into "there is no reason to own one of these." So I replied to someone saying similar stuff to remind this person that there are reasons.
Yeah that's my bad, I didn't realize that criticizing comment's original point. I'd love to see someone run a small farm with a freaking sedan, what a moron.
I saw someone try to do it in a smart car once!
You have a point. It's also clear that the Ford pickup in OP's picture hasn't done anything remotely close to any of the things you mentioned and likely won't be, even once a year.
Frequent campers, contractors, farmers, builders/carpenters, junk and scrap haulers, landscapers all have a use for a pickup truck. Most others don't.
Fair.
The amount of trail rash on my Jeep agrees with you. My rig gets used and abused on trails. More of a toy since I WFH and share my GFs much more reasonable vehicle.
Those are things that the vast majority of truck owners never get near doing. There are a ton of truck owners that have never hooked up a trailer before in their life and only have used the bed for something like transporting an appliance once. It isn't something they actively use as designed even once a month.
As someone else pointed out already, yes, there are people who need a truck. They don't need an oversized death machine. There is little to no reason for a truck to have that much bulk, the bulk doesn't add power.
However, most "need a truck" is either shit that could be done in much less vehicle, or done so infrequently that it makes 0 sense to OWN said truck. I sometimes need a truck... so far thrice in my life. I rented said truck. My wagon covers almost all of my hauling needs, rental covers the few outliers.
I don't understand this need to tell people what they need or what they should drive. Can't we just let people enjoy the things they like without getting all Judge Judy? I own a full ton diesel and I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't need it. How else am I going to tow my 32 foot RV? It's how the wife and I vacation. Should I be flying to my vacation vs driving there because people hate trucks but someone give planes a pass??
I can see people being more upset at sportscars vs. trucks but that doesn't happen. They are less fuel efficient than most trucks and can a lot less. An Infiniti Q37 with a V6 engine does 20MPG combined when my truck gets closer to 25MPG combined.
People need to stop judging others just because they do something you don't.
Not when those shitstains on the road actually kill more people and pollute more of our shared planet. Same thing for sports cars. If you drive something so unnecessarily dangerous and bad for our shared space and you’re not using it for it’s purpose I will judge you with no sympathy.
What makes you an authority on what's dangerous, bad or whether someone is using something for their intended purposes? Why are you so quick to judge others based on your lack of information?
Everything is dangerous if you go to extremes. Too much water can kill you. Too much food can kill you. Stressing yourself out over what others are doing will kill you or reduce the quality of your life at the very least.
It’s been proven that big trucks cause more accidents and pollute more heavily and cause city architecture problems because of parking and street size requirements. Seems like you’re lacking basic information.
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo
Equating drinking too much water and dying to literally contributing to killing others or making their lives worse is the most stupid comparison I’ve ever heard. One hurts yourself, the other hurts other people.
Is that also true of buses? Garbage trucks? How about Limo's? 18 wheel trucks? Those vehicles are all larger than my truck but you seem to be fixed on trucks only. What an odd flex.
I've watched that YT video and it's junk science. Of course you believe it because it does support your opinion so you've succumbed to confirmation bias. Congrats.
It's only stupid if it doesn't align with your 'fuck trucks' ideology. The fact that you think dying from too much water only hurts yourself, is pretty ignorant. But that seems to be your thing.
I literally talked about sports cars being a horrible waste. Are you blind? Limos are dumb for the same reason. Unless they’re carrying a dozen people. Same with buses and trucks. I literally said “if it’s not being used for it’s purpose”. What else do you need? Not surprised you can’t understand a video, supported with sources, explaining things you can easily deduce yourself. The trucks use more fuel, fact. They use more space in cities and on roads, fact. They’re heavier and therefore cause more fatal accidents, fact.
Go ahead Einstein, tell me who you hurt by drinking too much water. You kill some kid playing in the street by drinking too much water? You cause some elderly person to develop lung cancer because of your pollution? You causing a homeless person to be without housing because you need to park that giant, useless thing.
Use your brain, one time.
I love how your reply is nothing but 'more angry'. You need to chill my dude.
So Limo's are dumb, unless driving a dozen people. What about a one-way trip? Buses, depending on the time could be empty, or mostly empty. Is it stupid to have a bus with just 1 person (other than the driver)?
Trucks use more fuel than some cars, but not all so again, it's not a black/white issue like you're making it out to be.
If someone dies from drinking too much water, I'm guessing their entire family will be hurt.
ROFL. This is hilarious. You think less trucks = less parking spaces = more housing for homeless? Someone is naive as fuck.
You are so angry to be telling me to use my brain. Why are you so angry? Try growing up kid.
So we’ve already found out what your go to defense is when you can’t actually have a debate about these topics. Good job hiding it, calling someone angry won’t mask your own.
But yeah, more space not used by cars is more better. Fewer children run over is more better and less fuel used is more better. Maybe you understand now.
Says the guy who engages in Ad Hominem because he lacks communication skills. Then gets mad when exposed for being mad with nothing else but a YT video for a source.
If you weren't so angry, you'd see that this is actually funny and I've been laughing this entire time so I do find it extra comical for you to say something that boils down to 'No I'm not, you are'.
But go on and tell the world what vehicles they should use.
Sure, you’re laughing, the single downvote is totally not you being angry 😂
Go back to trucking man, you’re not cut out for having an intelligent discussion. Zielig, hoor.
By the way, my request is still out there. If you happen to use your brain once, I won’t treat you like the science-denying hillbilly you’ve proven yourself to be.
Nah.
You can tow an excavator, etc etc, with a Ford Transit. Hell, they can still drive ok if you stuff enough crushed cars in the back to get a curb weight of 3 tons.
Meanwhile a 1/2 ton pickup looks like it's struggling with half a ton in the tiny tiny bed.
You are going to want to check your numbers on that transit van.
My 250 has three times the towing capacity of the transit, and the transit can't pull a 5th wheel.
And an E45 bobcat (which is small relative to some machines I pull )is twice as heavy as the tow capacity of the transit, without considering tongue weight or the bulky trailer needed to haul such a thing.
I get it. Most people don't need it. I do.
Ok, that's fair ... I guess because the F250 isn't sold here people have a different attitude. For your needs here people would get something like an Iveco Daily 3.5 ton with dropside deck, they can take a good beating, about the same size as a heavy duty pickup but with more space on the back.
They also do options for a crane, tipper for agregates, and crew cab ... seems like a pretty solid work platform compared to a pickup.
Here's a VW Touareg towing a Boeing 747:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmM-635RR6o
150 tonnes.
Tbf using a Skoda for comparison is cheating, they're notorious for being very roomy. 😛
I have a Hyundai I40CW and I am 197cm tall, I can easily put the driver's seat to my comfortable position and then sit behind the driver seat at the back.
The front passenger seat if I put it all the way back and put the seat down I can comfortably straighten my legs out and sleep.
I‘m always surprised at how well those 2 wheel drive Fiat Panda‘s perform. We mostly use it for our farm because it can‘t really get stuck, or we haven‘t managed to get it stuck in 11 years. They also fit a decent amount of luggage!
I bet my wagon could do half these people's "tow stuff"
They are still useful in some situations although they are almost always just a fashion statement. https://lemmy.ml/comment/1660615 Someone who actually needs one for their job commented on this post and explained why. Someone also replied and said they could haul more with a van, and their response was that they can easily drop things into the bed with a crane. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
edit: they deleted it, not sure why but the point stands
Pickups suck at literally everything they try to do. They are the worst of all worlds.
That’s a hot take. They excel at what they’re designed for: carrying stuff that goes outside the confines of a van, things that need to be loaded from the top, excessively dirty things that you wouldn’t want in a van or car, towing (especially 5th wheel towing), etc.