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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Considering the competition... I'd be willing to vote for Biden's dog.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Secret Service are cops, Commander bites them, therefore Commander says ACAB.

Commander 2024.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I thought it was Major? Does he have 2 dogs that bite people?

And yes. It’s not totally logical, but I kind of liked that Biden’s dog was biting people. I tend to assume that a lot of people who work in the White House are bad people, and if someone’s dog is going in and biting them then I’m gonna assume without evidence that it had a good reason.

[–] Five 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's Major. From Biden worries the Secret Service may be loyal to Trump, according to a new book:

According to a new book offering an inside look at President Joe Biden’s White House, Biden actively distrusts the Secret Service to the point that he does not speak freely in front of his agents and he believed that the agency lied about an incident where Biden’s German shepherd Major bit an agent.

In The Fight of His Life, out January 17, author Chris Whipple details how Biden was showing a friend around the White House and pointed to the spot where Major allegedly bit a member of Biden’s security team. “Look, the Secret Service are never up here. It didn’t happen,” said Biden.

Cops framing people, cops killing dogs. I'm surprised they're not part of the official screening process along with the "you must score under this IQ level to be good at this job" filter.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68366306

He literally has two dogs that love biting cops.

Or who cops love lying about being bit by.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68366306

Major was removed from the White House because it was apparently too stressful for a rescue. Commander is a puppy they raised in the WH but he apparently just loves the taste of bacon.

That or the agents getting bitten were abusing him to get him to bite. It's pretty unlikely that a puppy with a series of trainers wouldn't stop biting pigs.

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

This shit is getting so fucking old.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This shit is just because they're scared. They know Biden is going to curbstomp him come November. The racist rapist with 34 felonies is further up the ladder on mental decline anyways. I would vote for a steaming pile of Bidens dogs shit before I'd vote for anyone from the GOP.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

That's not what we're seeing. Every time Biden tries to prove he can still think and shift the focus to Trump it fails and his polls get worse. He's behind by 6 points in PA now. The single state we really need to win.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

his polls get worse

Citation needed

Like a primary source, not just a news story claiming that this is happening or you doubling down about how it’s definitely happening

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Okay. And here's a PA specific trend line. And just so you don't think I'm cherry picking, here's NYT and The Hill.

Polling isn't great for minutia but these trend lines are consistent with modern losses. The only thing I'm aware of that could drastically change this now is some focus groups saying they would stay home and not vote for Trump; or vote for RFK instead if Trump is sentenced to prison. That was supposed to be a known factor now but it got pushed to after the convention and after the ballots are locked. Are we really going to hang this election on one judge doing the right thing? or are we going to do what we have to in order to actually fight?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, polling is garbage in general but using it to see relative change is actually like the one thing that it's good for.

So, your assertion is that Biden is slipping lower and lower and lower in the polls the more he does. You picked the one state where he's slipped the most, to make that point. If I did the opposite, I could pick North Carolina, and say that gaining 1.7 points since before he did his press conference means he's killing it, and that press conference restored the confidence of the voters.

Probably a fairly accurate metric -- since you're going to ignore, for reasons which will be obvious to anyone who knows what the national polls show, the national polls -- could be to add up all the swing states and see how things have changed.

In the last week, Biden's gained an average of 0.56 points in all the swing states. If you saying him losing 0.4 points in PA since the press conference means he's losing ground, then I have demonstrated that zooming out to a non-cherry-picked-to-the-single-worst-state view shows the exact opposite happening.

Similarly, in the last month, Biden's lost an average of 0.8 percentage points in all the swing states averaged together. You could write an article about how even in the face of an objectively catastrophic debate performance, less than 1% of the voters abandoned him, pointing to the resilience of his support because most of the voters (unlike the media) are smart enough to realize that one bad debate doesn't all of a sudden mean that etc etc you get the idea. Oh, also, that means he's been gaining ground back since the debate, after dipping lower than 0.8 points initially, which kind of makes sense since the debate was such a horrifying fuck-up.

See? Primary sources are fun. That's all based on the Nate Silver chart of all swing states that you sent me.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I chose PA because it's the one state we really need to win. Without PA we basically need everything on offer and a tough pick up like GA. And the national polling is a great topline, but it doesn't predict the Electoral college very well.

And this isn't just about the press conference. It's about the debate, the spin afterwards, and the press conference. None of that has managed to bring his numbers back. And Nate Silver's actual prediction, (which I'm not sure if the page will show without a subscription) is bad for democrats. If you want to go with his analysis we should already have switched to Harris.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If you want to go with his analysis we should already have switched to Harris.

Oh! If you're saying that switching to Harris would be a good idea, that would be a totally logical and honestly not really that crazy thing that we could have talked about.

Some guy was coming in here talking about how every time Biden opens his mouth, his poll numbers get worse, and just kind of emphasizing this wild counterfactual in service of creating a narrative that didn't exist. I was talking with that guy. If you see him, tell him I looked at the polls you sent me and he's wrong.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

His polls have gotten worse though. No amount of sarcasm escapes that.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Polls mean less than nothing. At this point they're just being manipulated to fit an agenda. Nobody voting red is going to vote blue, obviously even though he's a racist rapist with 34 felonies and caused an insurrection. Nobody voting blue would vote for him no matter how bad Biden is. It's turned into do you want a dictator or would you like to continue as a democracy. Come November when the left shows up to vote, (which they will, it's a very important election) Biden will win and the loser will lose again and hopefully be forgotten in a jail cell somewhere where he belongs.

Vote, volunteer to give rides for people that need them to be able to cast their vote!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You think there's some kind of conspiracy across multiple universities, research organizations and news organizations? The military can't keep a private from telling their Chinese AI girlfriend about the secret mission they're going on but you think independent professionals and professors are somehow all in on something?

The left has been very vocal about not liking Biden and the middle doesn't think he can even do the job. The only people showing up to vote are Biden's base and they aren't enough.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago

Come talk to me in November.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You think there's some kind of conspiracy across multiple universities, research organizations and news organizations?

No. In fact the universities and research organizations have generally been publishing polls showing basically no change in Biden’s numbers. You would know that, if you’d citationed.

In media, yes, although it’s more a case of groupthink, laziness, and vulnerability to manipulation than it is any grand conspiracy.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Check my response to your other post for links. It takes a little time to get them together because I'm not that organized of a person.